QuoteIsrael is conducting a war against international law itself.
And because of Western complicity and support for Israel when it killed 100s of civilians to get one (!) alleged militant in Gaza or Lebanon ("Israel has a right to defend itself"), Israel is not continuing this conduct in Iran.
In the middle of the night, Israel bombed residential buildings where Iranian scientists or military officials lived with their families - as well as scores of other completely civilian families.
If any country targeted American soldiers - not on the battlefield and not even in their barracks - but in their homes together with their children, the US would rightfully call that terrorism.
But Israel has systematically tried to erase all the norms around the use of force and international law that have painstakingly been created over the course of the decades after WWII.
The world that emerges from that is one of chaos, anarchy, and the law of the jungle - all things the US asserts it stands against.
QuoteAfter the 1979 Islamic Revolution, music was criminalised in Iran.https://www.euronews.com/culture/2022/05/26/what-happens-when-a-country-criminalises-music
Western songs were forbidden, record shops vanished and concert halls fell silent.
Anyone caught with music deemed 'un-Islamic' could be fined, lashed or imprisoned for 'causing corruption on earth' under Iranian law.
But this did not stop people from listening - far from it.
Quote from: dsanchez on June 13, 2025, 09:09:32Looks like Israel's genocidal campaign in Gaza is not enough: They just launched hours ago an unprovoked attack on Iranian soil which risk of dragging the whole region to a darker time. Parsi summarizes it pretty well:
https://x.com/tparsi/status/1933355816415080617QuoteIsrael is conducting a war against international law itself.
And because of Western complicity and support for Israel when it killed 100s of civilians to get one (!) alleged militant in Gaza or Lebanon ("Israel has a right to defend itself"), Israel is not continuing this conduct in Iran.
In the middle of the night, Israel bombed residential buildings where Iranian scientists or military officials lived with their families - as well as scores of other completely civilian families.
If any country targeted American soldiers - not on the battlefield and not even in their barracks - but in their homes together with their children, the US would rightfully call that terrorism.
But Israel has systematically tried to erase all the norms around the use of force and international law that have painstakingly been created over the course of the decades after WWII.
The world that emerges from that is one of chaos, anarchy, and the law of the jungle - all things the US asserts it stands against.
Quote from: Sacha8 on June 13, 2025, 15:22:58Is anybody going to stop them??!
QuotePresident Trump has long campaigned on a promise of "no wars".https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c93ydeqyq71t
He also said he would end the Ukraine-Russia and Israel-Gaza wars when he took office - which he hasn't.
Whilst the White House said it didn't green light Israel's attack on Iran, Trump's social media posts certainly seem to suggest he's OK with it.
Earlier, he posted: "Iran must make a deal, before there is nothing left, and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire."
Quote from: Ulrich on June 13, 2025, 14:17:10One thing is certain, Iran is not a country I would like to live in. Try listening to e.g. The Cure in Iran...But maybe is better to live there in those conditions (I admit, not the best) than living in a country in ruins, which is what exactly happened to all countries bombed by the US in the past two decades. By the way, Iran is the last from the seven:
Quote from: dsanchez on June 13, 2025, 15:58:16(I admin, not the best)
Quote from: Sacha8 on June 13, 2025, 15:22:58Oh gosh, this really going way too far. Is anybody going to stop them??!Only if one day the US (or the EU) are ran by impartial leaders. But the Israel lobby is way too strong and has strong influence in US foreign policy. Listen Noam Chomsky:
France has repeatedly condemned Iran's ongoing nuclear program and has taken all appropriate diplomatic measures in response.
— Emmanuel Macron (@EmmanuelMacron) June 13, 2025
In this context, France reaffirms Israel's right to defend itself and ensure its security.
To avoid jeopardizing the stability of the entire region,...
Quote from: Sacha8 on June 13, 2025, 16:20:45... Too bad Chomsky cannot talk anymore...
Quote from: dsanchez on June 13, 2025, 17:46:02When Russia invaded Ukraine, all Western leaders rightfully condemned the aggression. But if it's Israel...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">France has repeatedly condemned Iran's ongoing nuclear program and has taken all appropriate diplomatic measures in response.<br><br>In this context, France reaffirms Israel's right to defend itself and ensure its security.<br> <br>To avoid jeopardizing the stability of the entire region,...</p>— Emmanuel Macron (@EmmanuelMacron) <a href="https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1933491906144526764?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 13, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Christiane Amanpour, "Netanyahu has wanted to do this for decades, he has never believed in the diplomatic path"
— Farrukh (@implausibleblog) June 15, 2025
"No American president has allowed him to do it until president Trump"
"In 2015, the nuclear deal enshrined at the UN, Iran was declared in compliance with its... pic.twitter.com/veqP1Fsfev
Quote from: Sacha8 on June 16, 2025, 16:21:03And of course the whole "Iran affair" will give journalists the perfect excuse to suddenly forget all about Gaza...
QuoteGerman Chancellor Friedrich Merz told German radio, on Tuesday, during an interview at the G7, that by striking Iran, Israel was doing "dirty work" for everyone. "I can only say I have the greatest respect for the fact that the Israeli army and the Israeli government had the courage to do this," Merz continued.
QuoteSince the Islamic Revolution in 1979, Iran has been one of the world's most active sponsors of terrorism. Tehran has armed, trained, financed, inspired, organized, and otherwise supported dozens of violent groups over the years. Iran has backed not only groups in its Persian Gulf neighborhood, but also terrorists and radicals in Lebanon, the Palestinian territories, Bosnia, the Philippines, and elsewhere. This support remains strong even today: the U.S. government regularly contends that Iran is tied to an array of radical groups in Iraq.
Quote from: Ulrich on June 22, 2025, 19:01:59Told you long ago (in the other thread) that he's not a man who'll bring peace... :unamused:
QuoteThe European Union's response to the U.S. strikes on Iran Saturday has exposed more than just hypocrisy — it has revealed a vassalization so profound that the European capitals now willingly undermine both international law and their own strategic interests.
The statement by the E3, signed by German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, and French President Emmanuel Macron, following similar statements by the president of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen, and its high representative for foreign affairs Kaja Kallas, perfectly encapsulates this surrender.
The European trio affirmed their support for the security of Israel — and only Israel, as if other nations in the Middle East weren't entitled to security. They repeated the rhetoric that Iran "can never have a nuclear weapon" and endorsed the U.S. strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities despite the numerous conclusions of both the IAEA and the U.S. intelligence community (IC) that Iran is presently, or at least before Saturday's attack, not working on weaponizing its nuclear program.
In truly Orwellian fashion, the E3 called on Tehran to "engage in negotiations leading to an agreement that addresses all concerns associated with its nuclear program" — despite the fact that Iran was literally engaged in those very negotiations with the E3's foreign ministers on Friday, the day before the U.S. strike — as it was preparing to continue negotiations with the U.S. in Oman before Israel launched the war a week before. In fact, Israel's brazen decision to sabotage U.S.–Iranian diplomacy is precisely the evidence that, contrary to what the E3 now imply, Iran has engaged in talks seriously enough to make the prospect of concluding a new deal realistic.
Quote from: dsanchez on June 23, 2025, 12:39:18The statement by the E3, signed by German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, and French President Emmanuel Macron...
QuoteOne American president after another held back from deploying their military might against the Islamic Republic for fear of sinking the US into potentially the most perilous Middle East war of all.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0w94yj68xo
Now, the commander-in-chief, who promised to be a president of peace, has crossed this Rubicon with direct military strikes on Tehran's nuclear sites – the most consequential move yet in the second term of a president who has prided himself on breaking all the old rules.
It's an unprecedented moment provoking alarm in capitals the world over.
Iran's next move could be even more momentous. Its 86-year-old supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, now reported to be sheltering in a bunker, has spent nearly four decades cautiously playing a long game against his most powerful enemy to protect his most important asset – the Islamic Republic.
If he does too little, he will lose face; if he does too much, he could lose everything.
"Khamenei's next moves will be the most consequential not just for his own survival but for how he will go down in history," says Sanam Vakil, director of the Middle East and North Africa programme at think tank, Chatham House.
"His poisoned chalice is potentially more potent than the one Khomeini drank in 1988," she continues, referring to the reluctant decision of Iran's first revolutionary leader to bitterly accept a ceasefire in the devastating Iran-Iraq war.
Donald J. Trump Truth Social 06.23.25 10:18 PM EST
— Commentary Donald J. Trump Posts From Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) June 24, 2025
Israel & Iran came to me, almost simultaneously, and said, "PEACE!" I knew the time was NOW. The World, and the Middle East, are the real WINNERS! Both Nations will see tremendous LOVE, PEACE, AND PROSPERITY in their futures....
BREAKING: Trump post directed at Israel pic.twitter.com/E1qgiG8N3Q
— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) June 24, 2025
⚡️Trumps full remarks pic.twitter.com/guOzulkAEB
— War Monitor (@WarMonitors) June 24, 2025
QuoteIsrael-Iran ceasefire appears to hold after Trump outburst at both sideshttps://www.bbc.com/news/live/
QuoteBoth Nations will see tremendous LOVE, PEACE, AND PROSPERITY in their futures.
Quote"Good times are coming" - sounds like a threat
sounds like everything every government ever said
QuoteUS President Donald Trump has said he would "absolutely" consider bombing Iran again.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgenq599kwo
Responding to a question from the BBC's Nomia Iqbal at a White House press briefing, he said he would "without question" attack the country if intelligence concluded Iran could enrich uranium to concerning levels.