Wow..was nice to find that vinyl disc are still released. Yesterday I found "The Cure" album in a double vinyl disc in a store here in Peru. Price was about 23US$...I love vinyl discs! 8)
David.
Does your copy happen to have "This Morning" on it? Many people bought it for this reason before the singles containing it were released.
I think vinyl does have a special sound. When I listened to a record a couple years ago, I found the sound much more lifelike and "breathing", almost 3D. And this was on an old crappy turntable. But maybe I was intoxicated at the time and just imagining it... :smt033
Lots of people argue that vinyl sounds better. I've seen some very heated debates over this. Personally I think digital has more accurate sound, but vinyl has more warmth.
I was impressed with vinyl, but it's so inconvenient in comparison to digital formats. :(
P.S. You had "2005" in the subject. I changed it because I'm pretty darn sure that album was released last year. ;-)
THIS MORNING IS MY FAVORITE SONG OF ALBUN THE CURE ;-)
Mine too!
I've never heard a good reason why so many tracks were left off the American release, or why there were so many versions period. Maybe just make people buy it more than once? I bought the Japanese version just to get some of the B-sides before they were released separately.
I think the reason people don't like this album is because some of the best songs are B-sides. If you put all the songs including the B-sides on one CD (I've done this), it is a much, much better album!
Nothing like to play vinyl for your girlfriend with some candles and a bootle of wine..A vinyl is a vinyl :smt054
I'm looking forward to this!
David.
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I was impressed with vinyl, but it's so inconvenient in comparison to digital formats. :(
I too bought the vinyl of The Cure, and when I listen at home, it is the vinyl I listen to. In fact I still only have the American release of 3IB, Boys Don't Cry on vinyl.
And if I can whine for just a moment...Robert always said that it was the record companies that forced him to put out different versions of the albums, against his will. However, when he left his old label and was given complete freedom to do whatever he wanted and sign with whomever he wanted, what we ended up with was an album, The Cure, that has more different versions than any other Cure album ever. Robert wouldn't be trying to put one by us, would he? :?
What was the reason for The Cure changing labels after such a long time on Fiction / Polydor??
Cheers
Andy
Quote from: AndyWhat was the reason for The Cure changing labels after such a long time on Fiction / Polydor??
Cheers
Andy
Yes, and Elektra in the United States... I never understood if they were dropped from the label, or if it was their choice.
I know for a fact that Fiction Records no longer exists, but again I don't know the reason. I want answers!!! :smt076
But it looks like Fiction does still exist... www.fictionrecords.co.uk.
There are a couple of mentions of the Cure on the forum, but nothing about why they are no longer on Fiction.
Cheers
Andy
Well Chris Parry sold Fiction and ended the relationship with Robert Smith!!
it seems that Chris was tired of everything after 22 years of fiction (something like that), i read in an interview that chris sold fiction without saying a word to Robert!
to David: this morning is still available as a b side cd single in woodstock music center in jockey plaza for 13 usd
ariel
Thanks for the pointer. Did a search and found the following article:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/rc0104.html
Cheers
Andy
Vinyl ... well, you'd be listenning to 8 songs instead of 12 on "Disintegration" if there wasnt CD's :-D
But what a scam to drop out the BEST songs from CD just to put them on other formats. Really poignant move! :twisted:
Way to go, Bob! :evil:
Truth Goodness and Beauty, This Morning, Going Nowhere, Your God Is Fear, Fake, Why Cant I Be Me - 6 stabs in the back! :roll:
As Craig said on COF and I totally agree:
"And that's it. Starts off great, then goes flat. There's 2/3rds of an excellent album there, but the really good stuff is saved for b-sides and other countries. So now we go from really good to excellent:
Going Nowhere (10) - Absolutely beautiful! As I told Nadine before I gave her the album, "if you don't love this, not like, LOVE this, I will refuse to ever talk to you again. Seriously." Wait until you hear Roger's piano. Why can't we have more of that? Wind chimes, piano, acoustic guitar and the Bass VI. Too beautiful for words. The chimes sound almost exactly like the start of Pictures of You. The only problem here is that it's so short. It needs 3-4 more minutes to really "develop", but I guess it's good that it leaves you begging for more. I'm just hoping the band include this in the live set.
This Morning (10) - Sad, moody and slow. More piano! Love this one too. It's that sad, gloomy classic Cure sound done perfectly. Fantastic bass once again, and great synth and piano. Would not be out of place on Disintegration or Bloodflowers. Robert's softly spoken vocals at the 4 minute mark will be one of the most beloved parts of any of these songs. Just a fantastic song. Why are they wasting this on a b-side? Another criminal act.
Fake (8.5) - Another early favorite. Love the music, especially Roger's keyboards. Slightly popish, but in an excellent way. Destined to be another classic b-side.
Truth Beauty & Goodness (8) - Wasn't crazy about it the first time, but it grows on me with each listen. Don't like the start of it. Robert's held note, up and down, on the first "beautiful" is brilliant. Will give you goosebumps. The six string bass on this sounds a bit like Last Dance. Very good. Will probably love it by monday. : )
"
Janko,
You really hit the nail on the head on your B-sides description. "This Morning" is my favorite of all. I must have listened to it 15 times in a row when I first heard it! :smt020
P.S. I bet there are even more great B-sides and outtakes from this album that we've never heard. Maybe we'll get them on a re-release, but damn, they need to hurry up! :smt091
I dont agree with all this b sides better than album songs thing!
i mean if robert chose 12 songs for an album, for example wish, then we have to accept it as a THE WISH ALBUM, althought we all know there are better songs left as b sides!! like big hand or this twilight garden
whenever there are tracks that didnt get into the album, robert has explained the reason!! CURE ALBUMS ARE MORE THAN A COLLECTION OF GOOD SONGS, cure albums are concepts!!
in the case of the last album, robert has explained the definitive THE CURE album is the rest of the world edition with 12 tracks! so that is it!
about the differences in the number of tracks in different formats lets say in the case of disintegration, (12 tracks cd and cassette and 10 tracks vinyl). it's been very usual in the 80s for english bands to do it, i used to consider it as a gift for fans than a way to sell more records! only fans buy all the formats!! so that is the prize for the real fan!
ariel
Quote from: arielccI dont agree with all this b sides better than album songs thing!
I agree with you in the sense of Wish. It was a strong enough album on its own. The B-sides were a nice addition on the side, and kind of had a different sound that may not have fit in so well with the rest of the songs. After all, Robert said that most of those songs were written in between the time of Disintegration and Wish, so they had more elements of both.
But on "The Cure", I think it was a weaker album and needed some support by adding more tracks. I didn't know that Robert called the 12 song version the definitive one. Being from the U.S., I always think of the 11 song version, which seems like it's missing something. Yes, it's good to leave some special songs off to be discovered later, but I think this album needed a little boost of some kind. The Japanese 14 song version could have been the "definitive" version, in my opinion. That still leaves room for a few great B-sides.
the cure album is weak itself i dont hink if you could add any song it would be better!
but the best solution for me could have been to make two different albums
something like this
the cure 1
us or them
labirynth
before 3
the end of the world
alt end
taking off
never
the promise
the cure 2
lost
anniversary
truth goodness and beauty
your god is fear
fake
i dont know what's going on
why can't i be me
going nowhere
this morning
btw, i gave a listen to the vinyl and compared it against the cd!
and i can say that the vinyl sounds by far better than the cd!!!
so try it, if you like this album, you will enjoy it much more!
ariel
iv always hated wish - it does feature some great songs but apart from high and friday i'm in love, the live versions are really superior to the studio versions
and as a "concept" the album doesn't make sense to me at all - what the f*** was wendy time about ? and "to wish impossible things" is another remake of "wailing wall" (as the snakepit already was)
the heavy guitar songs simply don't fit with the lighter songs
"cut" belongs to another band, but is not a cure song
i was really really unhappy with this album - in fact i never bought it and haven't bought a more recent cure album since
there was ever a kinda strange thing happening when selecting the songs and b-sides. Take a look at WMS. Then listen to the b-sides. I've made my own selection cuting off some tracks and adding the b-sides and there is a good album with some very good songs.
Quote from: Verityiv always hated wish - it does feature some great songs but apart from high and friday i'm in love, the live versions are really superior to the studio versions
I totally agree, I like the songs live so after awhile I put on the studio album and I think...these sound terrible!
I really think that Geffen screwed up the release of "The Cure" in 2004. It could have been one of the greats if the release had the missing tracks on it (This Morning, Why Can't I Be Me, Your God is Fear, Going Nowhere, Fake, etc). Thank god for the singles & the internet, b/c I've since made my own "revised" version of The Cure!
speaking about wish, robert wanted to make it a double album. the record company said no. if memory servres, when it was decided to be released as a single album, he wanted to put this twilight garden on instead of wendy time. or maybe it was he wanted to but there were enough slow tracks. i can't remember. wasn't it on the on the yahoo album retrospective where he talks about this? :smt017
-brian
:smt020 the cure, minneapolis 1996
Quote from: crowbi_wanspeaking about wish, robert wanted to make it a double album. the record company said no. if memory servres, when it was decided to be released as a single album, he wanted to put this twilight garden on instead of wendy time. or maybe it was he wanted to but there were enough slow tracks. i can't remember. wasn't it on the on the yahoo album retrospective where he talks about this? :smt017
-brian
:smt020 the cure, minneapolis 1996
Yeah, that was on the album retrospective thing. It's probably good that Wish was released as a single album because it turned out to be mega popular. Maybe it would have been regardless, but I think The Cure received some much deserved recognition from that album. They were on MTV constantly during the summer of '92. I'm not sure I would have ever discovered them had it not been for that!
But who knows what else might have made the double album. I'm sure there are more gems out there other than the B-sides and Lost Wishes. I remember Robert mentioned a song called "A Wave". Here's an article from 1991 with lots of interesting pre-Wish discussion:
http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I12.htmlTo answer the question about Wendy Time, I remember Robert said it was about a time when he cheated on Mary while on tour. He had another woman for a brief time. For this reason Mary hates the song, and that explains why it was only played live a handful of times.
I myself love Wish. It was the first album I heard, and it made me fall in love with them instantly. My only complaint is that the drums aren't loud enough. Boris is pounding away like a madman on some songs, and it's just too quiet compared to the previous albums. Shame on whoever mixed this!
"To answer the question about Wendy Time, I remember Robert said it was about a time when he cheated on Mary while on tour. He had another woman for a brief time. For this reason Mary hates the song, and that explains why it was only played live a handful of times. "
Caley... are you sure Robert had another woman? I know this is not related directly with the subject, but... i never heard about it.
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Caley... are you sure Robert had another woman? I know this is not related directly with the subject, but... i never heard about it.
The article I read said that Robert had an affair with a woman he met on tour. It lasted for a short while. I believe it was the 1987 US Tour. I regret I can't give you anymore info right now. I can't remember where I saw this, but I'll try my best to find it.
Just found this...
http://www.thecure.com/archive/curenewspages/the%20x%20files/cn14.html
If you scroll down toward the bottom, in the "inspirations" part Robert tells what various songs are about. For Wendy Time, he says "an incident!" That sounds very typical of Robert, being coy about something personal.
And yes, it's strange how this conversation has moved from The Cure's last album and vinyl records to Robert having an affair! :smt017
No luck finding any more info, but we'll see...
thank you
it's strange... i always found him completely in love with mary. But...Robert having an affair just makes him human after all.
What an odd "development" ... it also could be Robert playing around with the media... letting false info "leak" like he's done in the past... i dunno?
To get back to the subject...
I think the cure 2004 (cd) is the greatest sounding cure cd ever, sonically.
And to get off from the subject again...
The greatest sounding cd ever made is in my opinion the church?s almost-masterpiece "after everything now this". That?s the only thing
i wouldn?t ever encode to mp3 or listen in vinyl lp, because of the heartbreaking pure sound that cd has.
-bluewater
1. i had to buy about three different versions [and of course all the various versions of all the singles] to get the Full Album.. then was given the vinyl so i got the "correct" track listing from that and made myself a 17 track CD that has all the songs on it.
kind of pissed off that i had to do all that. it's not like the vinyl of Wish or the other records have the b-sides on there so making a "full" version of Wish is a little different. for me at least...
2. ROBERT CHEATING ON MARY????? what the f*ck?
if that's true, it's really disappointing.
i know he, like the rest of us is human and has failings, but that's the worst of them all [drugs, booze, gambling, lying].
i guess i hoped [and still do hope] that he would be level-headed enough to not fall into that trap..
J
I really hope there are some more gems from the Wish period.
Wish is not perfect (Wendy Time as an example IMO) but has some very powerful tracks (Open !!!)
I like making alternative versions of the album by including B-sides.
I do not always understand the decisions regarding which track will be an album track :roll:
As a b-side sort of fan I have to disagree with most of the above posts. Alot of the b-sides don't fit onto the albums. Look at each album as a whole and remember that they are trying to get more fans (at least up to KMKMKM) and have a flow of songs that work together. "Another Journey By Train" is a wonderful song, but it would fit poorly on "17 Seconds". There are the exceptions (i.e. "The ExplodingBoy"). I think "Babble", "2 Late" & "Fear Of Ghosts" are superior to over half of "Disintegration", but they do not fit as well as the songs that are choosen for the album. Also a side note: "Disintegration" had 10 tracks on LP, not 8. But, I do agree that the track listing for "The Cure" is very poor. All the songs on the LP fit better as an album then the US CD does. "Thruth, Goodness & Beauty", "Going Nowhere", "Fake" & "This Mourning" should have been on the difenitive release.....