Do you honestly believe the Cure have it in them to make a better album than Disintegration or Pornography? I do not believe, but dammit I hope.
Maybe not Pornography or Disintegration, but I certainly have hope that the next album will be as good as The Head On The Door, Kiss Me... or Wish.
And I say that as Pornography and Disintegration were two majorly defining albums for the group - moments in time that can never be recreated. Smith was going through some very major things during those time periods that made those albums what they were.
I certainly think they do have it in them this time around to make a great album, but I don't think they'll ever hit that peak again.
I think we'd all be better off not comparing anything the group comes out with to those 2 albums... those albums are classic for a reason:
Depeche Mode will not make another "Violator"
Morrissey will not make another "The Queen is Dead"
The Rolling Stone won't make anything meaningful anymore (and so on and so on).
Let's just appreciate that our favorite band is still creating together.
Quote from: splitmilk34 on January 17, 2007, 15:48:51
I think we'd all be better off not comparing anything the group comes out with to those 2 albums... those albums are classic for a reason:
Depeche Mode will not make another "Violator"
Morrissey will not make another "The Queen is Dead"
The Rolling Stone won't make anything meaningful anymore (and so on and so on).
Let's just appreciate that our favorite band is still creating together.
Exactly.
Realistic would be another bloodflowers, another wish or another kiss me.
Anything not worse than the cure or wild mood swings would make me happy.
-bluewater
Quote from: splitmilk34 on January 17, 2007, 15:48:51
I think we'd all be better off not comparing anything the group comes out with to those 2 albums... those albums are classic for a reason:
Depeche Mode will not make another "Violator"
Morrissey will not make another "The Queen is Dead"
The Rolling Stone won't make anything meaningful anymore (and so on and so on).
Let's just appreciate that our favorite band is still creating together.
I must say that i agree with this point of view. We have to stop comparing each album to the last, or each period, or each song. and perfection is out of this world. we can't forget that R.S is just... a human being. just as you and me, but able to write some (many) beautiful music. But not always. I can't deny that i've never listen more than 3 times Wild Mood Swing, not much more Bloodflowers (i can hear some of you screaming!!!yeah!) and the last opus didn't squeeze me. Just because (this is my point of view), if there was the "sound", there wasn't the melodies. For me Cure are king of the melody! and i didn't find that in the last albums. But they are and will stay the best to me, whatever album they'll give us this year (or next!!! lol)
they could make another good atmospheric album but not to that quality. i dont think they will write another fantastic pop song though
I disagree with the notion of comparing albums, because of how unique each one tends to be, but in regards to quality... The way I see it, Robert has softened with age. I love Bloodflowers, really, it's one of my favourite Cure records (maybe number three), but the intensity of Disintegration and moments of Wish are just absent. I think the Cure makes fantastic music, then and now, but I think it would take something genuinely tragic, the kind of thing no-one would wish on anyone, for Robert to write something as powerful as some of the past albums. And that's the kind of thing that I couldn't wish on Robert.
I have high hopes for Robert and the band. Porl's return is very important, I think.
And in regards to those who say we cannot wish for an album greater than Pornography or Disintegration, are you the same ones who said that in 1988, saying that an album better than Pornography could not be made by the group? I think it is fair to make comparisons of quality.
Heh... Robert turns fifty in a few years....
Quote from: Bloodflower on January 17, 2007, 06:21:25
Do you honestly believe the Cure have it in them to make a better album than Disintegration or Pornography? I do not believe, but dammit I hope.
WHY WOULDNT THEY?
I MEAN, ALMOST ALL MY FAVOURITE MUSICIANS ARE WAY OVER FIFTY AND THEY STILL GO STRONG!
LEONARD COHEN IS 74 GODDAMNIT!
ROBERT IS WHAT?
...STILL 47 OR 49...
HE'S YET TO REDISCOVER HIMSELF!
ALAS, THERE IS SO MUCH STUFF TO f*ck UP...
:-D
Bloodflowers was a great album, i hope their next can be as good as that.
I'm still hearing bits of magnificence at times: Going Nowhere was just beautiful. I think what characterizes the genuis of the early decades, is the complete separateness of each album in style. Each new album felt like a new start/direction. Lately, it seems like every album is an attempt to recapture the past glory. Bloodflowers was to be the third installment of the socalled dark trilogy - and flopped. The Cure was some sort of attempt to recapture the essential rock Cure - and flopped. The band is pure genuis when it goes boldly into new areas. I miss the gutsy moves of releasing stuff like Wrong Number, or even the 13th, wild with horns and everything! I hope Porl brings really creative riffs back into the mix.
The other thing I miss - and maybe it's RS writing without pain/drugs- is the totallack of imagery in the lyrics. It used to be so psychadelic, it didn't make sense. HOTD Bsides, for example. Now, the words seem so straight forward and corny at times: I don't know what's going on, Never, even Bloodflowers the song. It's so formulaic.... I hope it gets a bit more cryptic again.
I'd love to see what they could come up with in a fourteen day stretch with a small fixed budget again. Seventeen seconds was brilliant with those constraints!
Erik
they did bloodflowers in 2000.i think,bloodflowers is as good as disintegration.so i think they can do something that's better than the others
Quote from: splitmilk34 on January 17, 2007, 15:48:51
I think we'd all be better off not comparing anything the group comes out with to those 2 albums... those albums are classic for a reason:
Depeche Mode will not make another "Violator"
Morrissey will not make another "The Queen is Dead"
The Rolling Stone won't make anything meaningful anymore (and so on and so on).
U2 will not make another "Achtung Baby"... :-D
Anyway, I think it's impossible to make a better album than disintegration or pornography, but I don't care about it, 'cos every album by the cure has something special and I'm sure that the new album won't disappoint us...I trust Robert! ;)
i agree with Lady
the thing is: we don't have to wait for another "disintegration" or something like that, we should wait for something very good...but not necessarily another "ultimate-masterpiece" ...we (they)still have a lot of time :)
the expectation sometimes is not a good thing.
i finally got bloodflowers yesterday, so far i think its better than disintegration :shock:
well, in my humble opinion that's GREAT
i love it...and maybe it's my favourite album (even though tomorrow it could change :-D )
Bloodflowers is incredible.
I think it's dangerous (and foolish) to expect an album greater than any they've done before, but I think there is no harm in hoping. In sheer terms of melody and lyrics and passion, I just don't think Robert can do it any more. That is, I don't think he can surpass Disintegration or Pornography, but that is not to say he can't make an album better than, say, Wish. :D
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THEY MADE SOMETHING NEW AND EXCITING
RATHER THAN TRYING TO RECAPTURE SOMETHING OLD AND GONE...
:rocker
I believe that Robert has got a trick or two up his sleeve... :smth023
I love the old albums so much, the sound.. it has always been hard to like the latest albums.. Cure (2004) took me ages to like.. [WMS would probably be my least favourite (Club America I still don't like), although This is a lie has grown on me.]
Out of the glimpses of the 3 new songs, it sounds like Bob has still got a few more lyrics in him yet!
Not long to wait now.. :smth095
I dont think Robert really wants to make another Disintegration or Pornography to be honest, what would be the point? Like a lot of people have said i agree that Bloodflowers is as good as Disintegration, i think so many albums are put down because people simply believe that whatever was made when they were younger is better - i listened to KMKMKM yesterday and had to turn it off because because it started to get on my nerves just how 80s it sounded. ;)
If this album is something totally different, but not done so in a way thats just for the sake of it then i think it will be great. The mistake with the last album was that they had a guy basically telling them how to sound.
With regards to their live performance, id say theyve got more in them now than ever! Ok, so a keyboard or two here and there wouldnt hurt, but the energy and passion of a really young band is there.
Yes I agree strange_day, How can it be possible to make another 'Bloodflowers' or 'Disintegration'? It's been done already :smth023
Although, as I mentioned, I love the haunting, depressive stuff, I do like the upbeat albums. ( WMS excluded.. sorry JANKO!)
We all believe Robert to be such a genius, and when he has pressure from the record companies, which he seems to have had this year, what is produced can be far from what he actually wanted. Let's hope that this delay and standing up to GEFFIN/SURETONE will let him be to produce a rather UNIQUE album! A stand alone.
:smth020
Yeh Leonard Cohen- interesting stuff, so hypnotic his voice. (RE: Janko msg)
I think should be ok, and the secrecy is good, If it was not going to be so good, I think it would be more hype
~The lack of hype is reassuring to me, in a strange way.
I think The Cure are quietly confident.
We will have to wait. . . :smth020
I'm one of those who like the early stuff better -- I'm always afraid to say it because, if you do, you are often labeled as a snob -- so my expectations aren't hitting an all-time high or anything. I'm not saying the early albums are better, I'm not a music critic, it's just they they speak to me in a way that the later stuff doesn't (Faith above all). Of course The Cure's music has changed, and when you travel a different road you're obviously going to move away from some people's tastes and more towards others. Nevertheless, I can't help loving the Cure sound in all its different versions.
So, to answer the question (at last!), I think Robert has still *got it* -- he's just using it in a different way! :smth045
Yes, I think Robert has still "got it"...going by the show they put on in Adelaide this year, he sounded just amazing and has such passion and love for the touring that they were doing. If you don't have that passion, that burning in your belly, it would be foolish to even think about putting another album out.
I would imagine that it could be quite different from what was done years ago, but maybe a good mixture of the darker, heavier style with a smattering of something we may not expect? Whatever they do it will be what HE wants, nobody else!!
Crikeys...who knows!!?? :smth017
Expect the unexpected!! then you may not be disappointed... :smth023
Quote from: scatcat on December 08, 2007, 16:44:20
Let's hope that this delay and standing up to GEFFIN/SURETONE will let him be to produce a rather UNIQUE album! A stand alone.
I noticed when i had a look in at the The Cure Official site, That the logos at the bottom had changed, and now are Suretone, Geffen and Universal music group.
I attached them, for the sake of it, :smth023
edit~ David has enlightened me, i didnt realise Universal owned Geffen, So there you go, learn something new everyday, well most, YEY :smth023
Maybe it means they are very slowly changing the 'official site', very sllllowwwllly, that is. WOW a logo :roll: lol
Quote from: Bloodflower on January 17, 2007, 06:21:25
Do you honestly believe the Cure have it in them to make a better album than Disintegration or Pornography? I do not believe, but dammit I hope.
Pornography and Disintegration were drug fueled albums. This has been clearly stated by Robert.
The albums were also done around the time Robert was turning 20 and 30 (respectively).
They were both cathartic albums for him (and the band really) and will not ever be duplicated.
The band has "cleaned up" their act (kicking Boris out for that very reason) and have become different people since those works.
So yeah, maybe they'll produce something wonderful and unique, but they're never going to produce anything like those two albums again.
It's time to stop looking backwards to other points in time for comparison's sake and just accept the new album on its own merits. Whatever it sounds like IS the sound of The Cure.
I'm not one for comparing, but I think I shall be so frank as to say I don't think ANY bands can top themselves in the 80s. Music today has lost its quirkiness, it's spunk. Unless you dig deep into the world of indie rock, or foreign pop, you can't really find any bands nowadays with a sound much like The Cure did.
They'll always be The Cure to me, they'll always be my little baby. I might not love every song they put out, but who really ever does love EVERYTHING? There's always one thing at least we do not care for.
I can't wait. I just want The Cure back!!!