So, I was checking COF today, and I guess the current tour program lists among a discography tentative release dates for upcoming remasters:
"2008
disintegration / entreat / mixed up / wish / show / paris
2009
wild mood swings / bloodflowers"
Now, the dates mean little to me, as we're talking the Cure here (Robert's "2008" will probably be the same year as Earth's "2010"), but the mention of "Paris" and "Show" make me pretty happy. I was afraid that they perhaps weren't being considered for re-working, especially how "Show" would immensely benefit from making Porl louder.
Nice to see "Entreat" as well. I wonder if they'll expand the setlist / do the whole show (doubtful, as who really does that with a live album?), or just tack it on as the bonus disc for "Disintegration" (which would kind of suck).
But I digress - I can't be the only one excited for "Show"/"Paris". Am I?
the 2007/2008 Tour book has an Album Discography at the back. It says this regarding the remasters to come:
08 DISINTEGRATION MAY 1989 [DELUXE EDITION REMASTERED/RE-RELEASED 2008]
ENTREAT LIVE SEPTEMBER 1990 [DELUXE EDITION REMASTERED/RE-RELEASED 2008]
MIXED UP - REMIXES NOVEMBER 1990 [DELUXE EDITION REMASTERED/RE-RELEASED 2008]
09 WISH APRIL 1992 [DELUXE EDITION REMASTERED/RE-RELEASED 2008]
SHOW - LIVE [DELUXE EDITION REMASTERED/RE-RELEASED 2008]
PARIS - LIVE [DELUXE EDITION REMASTERED/RE-RELEASED 2008]
10 WILD MOOD SWINGS MAY 1996 [DELUXE EDITION REMASTERED/RE-RELEASED 2009]
GALORE SINGLES OCTOBER 1997 no extra information provided
11 BLOODFLOWERS FEBRUARY 2000 [DELUXE EDITION REMASTERED/RE-RELEASED 2009]
then it finishes with
13 4:13 SOMETIME SOON...
So the remasters will be out next year and finishing the year after. last one to come out will be Bloodflowers..
It seems that the new record will be called 4:13 and i reckon that the picture of the four of them left to right Porl, Simon, Jason, Robert is the actual cover..
ps yes i'm happy that Paris and Show are coming out again sounding better...
2009 BORIS COMES BACK
2010 LOL TAKES THE KEYBOARDS
2011 THE CURE FALL APART
2019 THE CURE MAKE A COMBACK
...
:-D
Quote from: Janko on August 13, 2007, 01:31:37
2019 THE CURE MAKE A COMBACK
For Robert's 60th? :smth100
lets hope the paris reissue is the full show :rocker
Didn't Robert say last year that Orange/Live In Japan/Play Out & Show were going to be released on DVD? He also said that he'd release some more stuff from the Prayer Tour - maybe that'll be included in Entreat. Hopefully it'll be the whole show.
Quote from: adam60 on August 17, 2007, 14:53:54
Didn't Robert say last year that Orange/Live In Japan/Play Out & Show were going to be released on DVD?
I DONT KNOW
BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT!!!
:smth023
Quote from: adam60 on August 17, 2007, 14:53:54
Didn't Robert say last year that Orange/Live In Japan/Play Out & Show were going to be released on DVD? He also said that he'd release some more stuff from the Prayer Tour - maybe that'll be included in Entreat. Hopefully it'll be the whole show.
I can remember me vaguely that Robert said that. Hope they will be released on DVD!!
That would be great :smth023
Quote from: rjl on August 04, 2007, 23:03:33
So, I was checking COF today, and I guess the current tour program lists among a discography tentative release dates for upcoming remasters:
"2008
disintegration / entreat / mixed up / wish / show / paris
2009
wild mood swings / bloodflowers"
Now, the dates mean little to me, as we're talking the Cure here (Robert's "2008" will probably be the same year as Earth's "2010"), but the mention of "Paris" and "Show" make me pretty happy. I was afraid that they perhaps weren't being considered for re-working, especially how "Show" would immensely benefit from making Porl louder.
Nice to see "Entreat" as well. I wonder if they'll expand the setlist / do the whole show (doubtful, as who really does that with a live album?), or just tack it on as the bonus disc for "Disintegration" (which would kind of suck).
But I digress - I can't be the only one excited for "Show"/"Paris". Am I?
Are we all forgetting that inside the Trilogy DVD it states "Disintegration remastered album available 2004" and "Bloodflowers digitally remastered album available 2004".
It's now more than halfway through 2007 and we have yet to see anything tangible.
I'm tired of Robert saying things will get done by a certain date.
Just don't tell the public anything is happening until it actually IS happening.
Quote from: Janko on August 17, 2007, 15:14:06
Quote from: adam60 on August 17, 2007, 14:53:54
Didn't Robert say last year that Orange/Live In Japan/Play Out & Show were going to be released on DVD?
I DONT KNOW
BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT!!!
:smth023
8)YES, would love some remastered videos into, YES DVD's. Thats been my dream/wish for awhile, Cross my fingers its soon.
Screw that - I want action figures. I want the "Close to Me" wardrobe set (and maybe a limited, remix-edition sax-playing octopus), and the "Hanging Garden" and "High" play-sets. That would be awesome.
Quote from: rjl on September 04, 2007, 17:56:04
Screw that - I want action figures. I want the "Close to Me" wardrobe set (and maybe a limited, remix-edition sax-playing octopus), and the "Hanging Garden" and "High" play-sets. That would be awesome.
LOL that's gold..
How about a "Robert Thru The Ages" set?
or a "Lol Bashing Set"!!!
oh the possibilities are ENDLESS!!! Todd McFarlane Toys should look at this...
Quote from: nausearockpig on August 09, 2007, 14:02:53
the 2007/2008 Tour book has an Album Discography at the back. It says this regarding the remasters to come:
ENTREAT LIVE SEPTEMBER 1990 [DELUXE EDITION REMASTERED/RE-RELEASED 2008]
Hope they will put in the remaster the WHOLE Wembley Arena show. But was not in 1989?
Quote from: dsanchez on September 05, 2007, 00:49:35
Quote from: nausearockpig on August 09, 2007, 14:02:53
the 2007/2008 Tour book has an Album Discography at the back. It says this regarding the remasters to come:
ENTREAT LIVE SEPTEMBER 1990 [DELUXE EDITION REMASTERED/RE-RELEASED 2008]
Hope they will put in the remaster the WHOLE Wembley Arena show. But was not in 1989?
I think Entreat was released in September 1990, recorded July 1989.
And I really want to see Entreat expanded to a composite of the three shows. One version of every song played at Wembley in 1989. Though, ideally, I'd like all three concerts.....
I think it is more likely, however, that we get just the entirety of Disintegration. Which I'm also very much fine with, to understate.
Quote from: Bloodflower on September 05, 2007, 03:11:58
And I really want to see Entreat expanded to a composite of the three shows. One version of every song played at Wembley in 1989. Though, ideally, I'd like all three concerts.....
if it happens, i'd really hope entreat would be just one of the wembley songs in its entirety. i know i'd be pretty disappointedif they made a composite of three nights, some "imaginary super-wembley concert" that never took place. imo the concept of a composite works ok on the original entreat because it was originally aimed at and offering just some glimpses from the shows, nothing more.
i'd really prefer
a complete soundboard (at last!) from one prayer tour gig than any cutandpaste work.
i've also grown tired of the trilogy and the show for the same reasons, as much as i've enjoyed them in the past (especially the latter one). if i watch/listen to them nowadays i get so irritated by the fact that it's not a real concert anyway, it never did take place like that.
so even if there were screw ups/some inferior versions had to be included (because surely the best versions of all the songs are not likely to be found on the same night's set), i'd still prefer a complete third night (or the second - or the first) of wembley over anything else there.
@JB
3rd night, 3rd night......pleeeeeeaaaase :D
Best of the 3 IMHO.
& I thought Entreat was a bit "thin" sounding, so I hope they give it a bit more body on the re-master.
A complete Wembley show would indeed be awesome, but how often is it that a band (excepting the Grateful Dead and their "Dick's Picks" series) releases an entire live set - or if it's a full set, a live disc comprising only one night/source?
I never quite got the reason. Maybe it's so that traders don't trade them amongst themselves... But that never made any sense, as traders are such a small niche segment of the listening/purchasing audience. And the "no official releases" mantra pretty much prevents that, at least in a self-policing way. And these days, it's not the live-stuff traders that you need to worry about when it comes to unauthorized re-distribution of commercially-available material (rather, anyone with an internet connection, an MP3 encoder and a P2P client).
But I digress... A complete Wembley set would be awesome. A complete 3-night Wembley box-set would be a DREAM.
Although I cannot imagine an industry person viewing so many repeated songs in one release as terribly commercially viable, regardless as to whether or not it's true.
I wonder how much "pull" the Cure have, now that they aren't with a "major".
(I forget... is SureTone an imprint of a "major"? I thought it may be Geffen, but RS mentioned in a recent post that they were not on Geffen / Geffen had no sway over their decisions)
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 05, 2007, 07:21:26
i've also grown tired of the trilogy and the show for the same reasons, as much as i've enjoyed them in the past (especially the latter one). if i watch/listen to them nowadays i get so irritated by the fact that it's not a real concert anyway, it never did take place like that.
This is another reason why I still think "In Orange" was the best Cure concert ever. Everything we see in the video was shooted in a single day. No mixes, no cut/paste.
Quote from: dsanchez on September 05, 2007, 17:34:34
This is another reason why I still think "In Orange" was the best Cure concert ever. Everything we see in the video was shooted in a single day. No mixes, no cut/paste.
Everything was shot in
two days, for that one. They had another day of shooting... I think the day before the show, without the crowd... for some close-ups, etc.
If you watch closely, there are some instrument changes, mid-song.
Quote from: rjl on September 05, 2007, 17:53:46
Quote from: dsanchez on September 05, 2007, 17:34:34
This is another reason why I still think "In Orange" was the best Cure concert ever. Everything we see in the video was shooted in a single day. No mixes, no cut/paste.
Everything was shot in two days, for that one. They had another day of shooting... I think the day before the show, without the crowd... for some close-ups, etc.
If you watch closely, there are some instrument changes, mid-song.
Yes, but all the live filming from Orange was done in a single day. The Trilogy for instance, is a combination of two concerts, Show too, etc.
Quote from: dsanchez on September 05, 2007, 18:17:00
Quote from: rjl on September 05, 2007, 17:53:46
Quote from: dsanchez on September 05, 2007, 17:34:34
This is another reason why I still think "In Orange" was the best Cure concert ever. Everything we see in the video was shooted in a single day. No mixes, no cut/paste.
Everything was shot in two days, for that one. They had another day of shooting... I think the day before the show, without the crowd... for some close-ups, etc.
If you watch closely, there are some instrument changes, mid-song.
Yes, but all the live filming from Orange was done in a single day.
no it's still video footage from
two days - they are just faking it/making everyone to believe that it all was filmed in one day... ;)
the audio supposed to come from one night, but i'm not 100% convinced that they didn't clean up some screw-ups from the audio too in the process...
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 05, 2007, 21:09:52
no it's still video footage from two days - they are just faking it/making everyone to believe that it all was filmed in one day... ;)
You're kidding, right? :D
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 05, 2007, 21:09:52
the audio supposed to come from one night, but i'm not 100% convinced that they didn't clean up some screw-ups from the audio too in the process...
But that's not normal? An edition, arrangement of the audio it's normal before it comes out as an "official release", not?
Quote from: dsanchez on September 05, 2007, 21:27:35
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 05, 2007, 21:09:52
no it's still video footage from two days - they are just faking it/making everyone to believe that it all was filmed in one day... ;)
You're kidding, right? :D
no i'm not kidding, it's true. it's like rjl wrote earlier in this thread: they had another night for shooting additional video footage, yet they did that without audience. so there were no two concerts - but there surely were two nights of shooting.
you can really notice this when you watch the video very closely.
Quote from: dsanchez on September 05, 2007, 21:27:35
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 05, 2007, 21:09:52
the audio supposed to come from one night, but i'm not 100% convinced that they didn't clean up some screw-ups from the audio too in the process...
But that's not normal? An edition, arrangement of the audio it's normal before it comes out as an "official release", not?
hmmm well, it could be somewhat common but i'm not sure it's something that should be necessary done.
so maybe it's not exactly "normal". i somehow dislike the idea that they fixed some wrong notes they played/solos they maybe screwed-up - that's why i like live bootlegs: no fixing, no editing, no nothing like this. just as it is.
then again, wrong notes on official releases can also drive you mad (because you can't get rid of it, they'll always be there). so on the other hand....
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 05, 2007, 21:36:00
no i'm not kidding, it's true. it's like rjl wrote earlier in this thread: they had another night for shooting additional video footage, yet they did that without audience. so there were no two concerts - but there surely were two nights of shooting.
you can really notice this when you watch the video very closely.
But this is also what I wrote to rjl. The important point here is that the boys made it the LIVE show in a single day. I mean, they didn't play twice in Orange and then picked up the best from every show (like in "Show" for instance).
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 05, 2007, 21:09:52
the audio supposed to come from one night, but i'm not 100% convinced that they didn't clean up some screw-ups from the audio too in the process...
hmmm well, it could be somewhat common but i'm not sure it's something that should be necessary done.
so maybe it's not exactly "normal". i somehow dislike the idea that they fixed some wrong notes they played/solos they maybe screwed-up - that's why i like live bootlegs: no fixing, no editing, no nothing like this. just as it is.
then again, wrong notes on official releases can also drive you mad (because you can't get rid of it, they'll always be there). so on the other hand....
I have to disagree here. I think is perfectly normal if they fix something for an official release. As you said, for the rest we've got the boots :P
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 05, 2007, 21:36:00
i'm not saying one shouldn't fix/edit anything. but where's the limit, where to stop? i just mean that i sort of hate the idea (or let's say the possibility of it) that what if too much got fixed there - because how can we tell how much they fixed or didn't fix?
We will never know. Artist is the only who will know this :roll:
Quote from: dsanchez on September 05, 2007, 21:40:51
But this is also what I wrote to rjl. The important point here is that the boys made it the LIVE show in a single day. I mean, they didn't play twice in Orange and then picked up the best from every show (like in "Show" for instance).
I didn't say anything to the contrary, far as I know. There was one night of live "concert" filming, and another one without the audience. Anyhow, I don't really see a noteworthy distinction between that and something like Trilogy. In both cases, you have a product representing one show, which just happens to use extra footage to smooth things out, etc. (e.g. Get some close-ups without disrupting an actual live show).
Whether or not an audience was there for some of the footage that was mixed in isn't terribly relevant, the way I see it.
Unless I am missing/misunderstanding something...
I can't understand preferring one night of Wembley as opposed to the best of three nights. To me, it seems like recording an album using only the first (or second, or third, etc.) take. Why would you do that for an official release? It doesn't make any sense.
I'd MUCH rather have one massive three-disc set consisting of every song played at Wembley in 1989 than, in the best-case scenario, the third night at Wembley in its entirety.
The composite would give us 42 song, something like 03:50:00 of the Prayer Tour, with the best versions getting airplay.
The third night at Wembley would give us 35 songs at something like 03:15:00, with the following not making it on the set:
Cold
The Figurehead
A Strange Day
The Holy Hour
Hot Hot Hot!!!
Kyoto Song (your favourite, M!)
Play For Today
That's criminal, at best. My favourite tracks off the Wembley shows are The Figurehead and The Holy Hour (along with that awesome version of One Hundred Years and the glory of those two awesome versions of Faith).
And what do you do if the second night was chosen, and you have no 'Faith' on the set? It would be, in as non-hyperbolic terms as I am able to put it into, the end of the f*cking world.
Just my thoughts....
(I still think we'll get all of Disintegration, and probably nothing else.)
Quote from: Bloodflower on September 06, 2007, 08:02:40
I can't understand preferring one night of Wembley as opposed to the best of three nights. To me, it seems like recording an album using only the first (or second, or third, etc.) take. Why would you do that for an official release? It doesn't make any sense.
I'd MUCH rather have one massive three-disc set consisting of every song played at Wembley in 1989 than, in the best-case scenario, the third night at Wembley in its entirety.
The composite would give us 42 song, something like 03:50:00 of the Prayer Tour, with the best versions getting airplay.
The third night at Wembley would give us 35 songs at something like 03:15:00, with the following not making it on the set:
Cold
The Figurehead
A Strange Day
The Holy Hour
Hot Hot Hot!!!
Kyoto Song (your favourite, M!)
Play For Today
That's criminal, at best. My favourite tracks off the Wembley shows are The Figurehead and The Holy Hour (along with that awesome version of One Hundred Years and the glory of those two awesome versions of Faith).
And what do you do if the second night was chosen, and you have no 'Faith' on the set? It would be, in as non-hyperbolic terms as I am able to put it into, the end of the f*cking world.
Just my thoughts....
(I still think we'll get all of Disintegration, and probably nothing else.)
it doesn't make any sense? geez.... well if it doesn't... but to me preferring some kind of "ok so this gig never existed but we're sort of faking that it sort of took place" composite doesn't make any more sense either.
so yes, if i could choose i'd take a soandboard for one full gig a thousand times before than any sort of composite: we already have one composite (entreat) so please, not again!
some points...:
simply, the
dynamics of one single show, from beginning to an end.
if they'd just put all the songs played on those three nights together, there wouldn't be one. the dynamics would fall apart, it would be just one single song after another. no real continuity between adjacent tracks, no real structure. that alone is enough for me to vote for a non-composite anytime.
so i guess that'll remain my only point at this time. ;)
and ok so the composite would maybe give us 42 songs. but i'm way past my "more is the best!" days - i'd rather have something structured, something with a real feeling of a real performance, something where the songs follow each other naturally as they did in that night. i'd much rather sit down and let myself be engulfed by the flow of one single great concert, its arch from beginning to and end.
for me that would be more precious experience than having every song they played there.
second night: even if they did what i hope they'd do (=give us one single night and not some butchered cut-and-paste thing again) i'd doubt it they'd choose the second. anyway, wouldn't be the end of the world for me if there was no 'faith'. it's a good gig anyway. if i had to choose from a composite vs. second night complete i'd still take second night. the gig as a whole, the gig itself means more than one single song in it. it's as simpleas that. i mean, i don't like the sort of "jukebox mentality", where the individual songs are the only thing that counts. the more i listen to live shows, the more i listen to the whole of it, not the separate songs. about more: some gigs are not better than other because they have more songs in the set. knowing that i'll have more of something alone doesn't make me happier.
and besides, prayer tour gigs had beautiful arches, beautiful set structures. :!: if you start doing cut-and-paste and this gets lost.
it's not just a bunch songs played after one another in some half-random order... just listen through some of those sets and it shines through. for me a good gig doesn't mean a nice string of great songs well played, but composing out a concert, structuring the time by playing the
right amount of songs (not too little but not too much!) in a well thought-of order.
so criminal... so yes, i'd say the composite would be criminal. the wembley gigs are too good to be maimed that way.
(@steve: yes let's hope for the third...)
One thing, M, that bothers me about your post is the assumption that the listing of such a composite would be so half-arsed as to be just a bunch of random songs in random order. If there's one thing I think Robert's good at, it's music; if there are two things, it's tracklisting. I think he often leaves off some of his best stuff, but I think the flow of the albums he's put out (and the setlists he's made) have a good continuity to them. Yes (because someone WILL mention Jupiter Crash > Round & Round & Round and If Only Tonight We Could Sleep > Why Can't I Be You?), even if that set/tracklist means that there is a total shift in mood.
I think Robert's good enough at what he does to manage to make the whole thing flow. I think he knows better than to take a composite and not bother with structuring it. I think you suffer from being an über fan, because I don't think most people would notice anything wrong in the setlist of such a composite (assuming he did it with care -- and I very much believe he would) if they didn't know how the three nights were structured to begin with.
I don't know the reasons for your opinions beyond superficial terms; maybe you have higher-quality versions of the Wembley shows than I do, and thus don't really mind if certain songs aren't available as a soundboard-recording. I probably wouldn't hunger so badly for an awesome soundboard version of The Holy Hour or The Figurehead if I had them already from a high-quality audience recording. But then, maybe your reasons are simply as you've stated, in which case I don't understand this of you at all.
I need to go back to the comments about structure, because they really greatly bother me. Do you honestly believe that the songs couldn't be structured to fit the concert? Are you one of the people who actually CARED that Plainsong was made into an encore song on Festival 2005, when originally it had been the opener?
Obviously, we have seen that Robert is perfectly willing to rearrange the ordering of the setlist. He did so with Festival, he could do so now.
I really, passionately disagree with you, Marika, be this the internet or not. I think your whole argument shows a pretty high level of disregard for Robert's abilities at writing a decent setlist. It probably shouldn't bother me so much, but it does, and it is what it is.
And that, as they say, is that.
ok, i guess i have to say sorry for posting my opinion.
but i never post anything here to bother other people, just to have conversation.
and i didn't use words like 'half-arsed' etc. - i just tried to explain why i would prefer a complete gig over any sort of composite - IF i could choose. but well, since i don't think it's going to be my choice anyway so who cares, i guess.
your whole argument shows a pretty high level of disregard for Robert's abilities at writing a decent setlist
no, i actually do highly respect robert's ability to design good setlists - that's exactly why i would prefer to hear one of these fine setlists of those three great shows intact, rather than listen to something that's been broken apart and copy/psted together in a process of making a composite of a gig that never was.
anyway, i guess i'll leave it here. i find it a bit uncomfortable that my opinion on something is really bothering someone that much. because it shouldn't.
edit:
Do you honestly believe that the songs couldn't be structured to fit the concert?
no i never said that. i wasn't saying "these songs simply can't be re-structured a new." all i was saying was if i had the choice, i'd love to hear the original structure of one of those gigs, just as it was played, and that i'd prefer that over a composite.
just like if i had a choice, i would have chosen a complete gig from berlin or taormina 2005 over the composite Festival dvd.
i was only stating a preference.
I've been reading this thread & can see that you have both got very strong opinions & the logic works in both your arguments for sure.
It's only natural that at some point you're both going to clash over what you both think is right.
For what it's worth, I would (of course) like to have the last night to have & to hold from this day forth, but I do suspect that whatever eventually surfaces will be a pared down "highlights" release, that will still be good. IMHO the Cure have since not really hit that same high as they did on those Wembley nights (my opinion). I may be slightly (okay then, very) biased as I was at the last night.
Of course, if they really wanted to make everyone happy, they would release all of them in a collectors set :D.
What is, I think, clear is that they have recognised that this run of shows was fantastic, or they wouldn't even consider issuing them (or part of them).
Fingers crossed that we are all happy in the end.
i've been a bit bothered that i might have come across a bit blunt in my last post. i'd like to blame it on a bad day but i guess that might sound a bit lame excuse.
anyway, i didn't mean to imply i was right and someone else was wrong. one thing i've alwasy liked around here is that people can have so different opinions on the same old things. it would be dead-borgin if everyone thought the same.
anyway, just in short, maybe i can explain a bit further why i'd really hope for a complete/uncut gig over a composite version - even if the composite included all the songs played on those gigs:
i've been a lot into live music collecting and it has been my wish for a rather long time now to find a complete prayer tour soundboard. whereas there are usually some soundboard sources from the other tours (not always complete ones but anyway) but as we know, the prayer tour soundboards still remain very hidden, up to the extent that they seem to have an almost mythical aura around them by now.
so just thinking about the opportunity here, to finally get a complete soundboard from this tour if entreat was remastered... i guess it would simply be a dream come true for me if they put out a complete gig. that would mean fulfilling one little dream i've had. it would certainly be the dearest of the remasters for me then (assuming they did the remastering job right - hehe).
and if they decided to cut the shows into pieces and make a composite: well of course that would still be a great thing to have, there's no doubt about it. but compared to the idea of a complete soundboard... i'd just have no difficulty to point which one i'd prefer if i had the choice. if i had, indeed.
with that said, i hope there's no hard feelings left concerning what i said earlier. no one's opinion here is better than others. i guess this topic just hit me pretty near the heart so i might have got a bit too passionate about it...
peace? :smth001