As Reported in The Herald Sun today October 4th: the day the music died by Cameron Adams;
" "Australians are still downloading entire albums-up to almost150 per cent this year...Local downloaders prefer to pick and choose. Many commentators blame this on growing disappointment with albums on the the heavy use of sub-standard material..many also blame the record industry for committing musical suicide.
Cure frontman Robert Smith is in the unusual position of sweating over the track listing of a new Cure album to be released in an environment in which many listeners will hear it only as part of a shuffle"
Robert says " I'm very aware of a younger generation having no concept of track listing, they just jump and shuffle on their iPod. I think it's an alien way of listening to albums. We are on th cusp of a serious shift in the way people listen to music. It's happening around us." The Cure have one album left on their deal with Geffen Records, and Smith sees a time when bands will bypass record companies altogether.
Robert goes on to say" The strange thing is the Cure are one of the few bands who don't sell that many pick-and-mix songs. We actually sell albums. People still want Pornography the album. They don't just want A Hundred Years, they want the whole album.
Now It'll be very difficult to keep that idea of an album established. I think people want to hear albums from the past the way they were meant to be heard. I suspect that will fade. I won't be around to see it." "
I hope this does not mean the end is nigh!! :cry: What does it mean? I always certainly purchase albums, and would want the whole album and nothing but the whole album. What is the opinion out there?
scatcat :smth020
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Quote from: scatcat on October 04, 2007, 14:21:15
"The strange thing is the Cure are one of the few bands who don't sell that many pick-and-mix songs. We actually sell albums. People still want Pornography the album. They don't just want A Hundred Years, they want the whole album.
Now It'll be very difficult to keep that idea of an album established. I think people want to hear albums from the past the way they were meant to be heard. I suspect that will fade. I won't be around to see it."
That's an interesting subject. I certanly can't say much, as this kind of marketing (buy-per-song) is really not that popular here in Peru, I mean, just few people have iPods, to have an idea. But I guess Robert belongs to the "old school" (which I agree with, by the way), but I don't know if this will be enough. I mean, Geffen will do anything to get more sells, and if this kind of strategy works in countries like the US, then they probably do it in the end.
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there is more to the interview with Robert saying " It will be internet only within 5 years.There'll be no such things as CDs. It's kind of sad. We'll have gone through four different formats by then: vinyl, cassettes, CDs and digital"
"we are on the cusp of a serious shift in the way people listen to music. It's happening around us"
"It's difficult for me to change my mindset. If I put on a old Bowie album or an old Hendrix album, I want to hear the songs in that order. If I heard them shuffled about I'd get very upset"
I feel the same way, it is hard to adjust us oldies.. I love my scratchy old vinyls.. and I don't want Robert to get upset.. I promise I won't play around with his track listing and respect his mixes!!! :smth023
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Interesting topic this.
I know it's slightly different, but when the actually play a concert, isn't that sort of messing up the playing order a little bit?
I have to admit, I don't jumble cure albums up when I play them (although there are a few skips made on certain ones.....wms & MU come to mind), but this is when I'm listening to the whole thing.
I thought that an album, by definition (2. a phonograph record or set of records containing several musical selections, a complete play, opera, etc. ) enabled people to simply pick a song to listen to, however they wanted.
My only fear of the download side of things is that it will be typically lossy rubbish that becomes more readily available (look at itunes for example).
As long the consumer was being given a chance to access lossless music, then I don't have a problem. A good example of that can be found on the Porcupine Tree download store.
Saying that music will die is a touch ott i think. Just the way we access it will change & if that means I don't have to put up with the dis-interested work experience nerd in Media Markt or get the dreaded out of stock message from Amazon, then I'm all for it .
Bring on the bits. :D
yeah, technology is advancing, and it's predicted things will head this way. I for one have gone through 3 computers in the last 8 years, just because of viruses, upgrading to keep up to date for my son's games etc.. But I understand where Robert is coming from.. he's an Artist, and we don't like people playing around with our creations, He pays particular attention to set lists for the concerts, he made sure he played different songs live here in Melbourne than he did years ago,. The new album should be something really from his heart!! :smth023
I don't have an iPod, and am pretty wary of downloading and file-sharing on the internet..
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I have a prety good security setup on my laptop, so I'm pretty confident with my downloads.
I'll use reputable hosting sites like rapidshare too.
I love my ipod & I'd be lost without it, but nothing can substitute (IMHO) putting a well recorded, well produced CD or record on a proper system.
On the download thing though, I am much happier to send discs to folks & look forward so much to something dropping into my mailbox too.
I've made a lot of good friends like that (one of whom I am going to meet in Rome in Feb).
My only problem is that when I want to buy music (& I will buy it), in Hungary it's not always that easy to find something that may be readily available in the rest of Europe, so I rely on amazon & the like to get things.
The download option is a great way of doing it. Think about it. Saves energy of having to switch on every damn light in a shop, no shipping/ flying, no packaging additional to the disc case. It's quite green really.
You could, however argue that jobs would go, but people have to adapt & there is no escape from that.
Then you have the option to use it how you wish. Be it burn a disc, synch to the player of your choice, whatever you want.
(does IMHO mean In my Honest Opinion or am I lost in translation?)
I have high security here too, and someone did give some albums loaded onto a USB memory stick thingy, again, my son had to show me how to drop and drag (I just can't get it!!).
But Having the artwork, lyrics and real thing still gets me purring every time.
I could burn a few cd's for ya, I know how to do that!! But would it have to be formatted for European hardware? WE got.. 80's, alternative, Reggae, classical, Powderfinger also my favourites.. :smth023
I always prefer putting on a CD sitting back and listening to it in full, and I too like the whole idea of the artwork/packaging rather than just having countless tracks on an ipod :rocker
@scatcat:
I've found two explainations for IMHO: In my honest opinion or in my humble opinion
Hope i could help you a little bit :)
I'm a person, who likes to listen to the whole album and not to single tracks.
I have an iPod, but when i import something on my iPod, i usally import the whole album, seldom single tracks.
Haven't bought something from iTunes yet.
If the Vinyls (i'm a vinyl fan :D) and CDs are no more, that would be sad. Because to put e.g. the lp on the record player and hear, for let me say a single moment that cracking noise, and to read the lyrics on the booklett from the CD that is really something i would miss.
If that would be the case, i would be forced to download the booklet, buy a jewel case for the CD i've burned, and that is not a enjoyment anymore :(.
Yes, you're right scatcat to have the Vinyl or CD in your own hand is great!!! :smth023
Okay, if someone would like to buy an album or a track from the online music stores it's okay for me.
The download thing is a very good idea, i think. But i don't download many music, because i don't want get a virus or something like that. Not, because of that, also because it's too much.
Okay i have a Mac, but i think i have to be careful anyway :)
Still, better save than sorry :)
thanx siversand xx I'm computer dyslexic ( is that how u spell it??) ..
viruses and trojans hide everywhere now ( paranoia setting in..sshh!!)
I know the ARTISTS get nothing compared to what the retailers, recording companies etc.. get , but if the future is without albums being released.. maybe i don't wanna be around either.. I would like royalties to go straight to the Artists, like the Cure.. 100% , that would make me feel better and maybe the Artists won't have the stand-over actions and the pressures of a contract with the recording labels, they would keep producing the music THEY WANT US TO LISTEN TO.
I'm sorry I'm an old fuddy-duddy, :cry:
someone put me out of the misery ... I don't want The Cure to end!!!!! :cry:
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This is the main rerason I don't have an IPOD. I like to listen to a whole vinyl or cd they way it was intended. With no shuffle tracks.
And I hope The Cure don't stop recording because of the downloading situation.
I do download music. But it's only live recordings.
And I.also, love buying a vinyl or cd for the artwork, lyrics and all the lovely photos.
Quote from: Cure Freak on October 04, 2007, 21:22:12
This is the main rerason I don't have an IPOD. I like to listen to a whole vinyl or cd they way it was intended. With no shuffle tracks.
well, one doesn't
have to shuffle tracks on ipod/portable player - there's nothing in the machine that would force you to it. you can just as well listen to the albums as a whole... i do it all the time. yet my ipod is just something i keep with me so i have something to do when i sit on a bus to work/back to home. i never listen to new albums on ipod, i never download anything to it from the web. just have a couple of favorite "bullet-proof" albums there to keep me company. and i always listen to them as complete albums, i rarely skip tracks.
so ipods or mp3 players alone don't force anyone to any sort of listening habits. it's up to everyone's own choice how to use the hardware.
i think a much more scary thing about commercial downloads is that record companies are often actually selling downloads in mp3 only(!). personally i can't understand at all why anyone would pay for some shit quality mp3s - if you're going to pay for the music then you should pay for the real thing and not for some junk food. purchasing an album as a download is ok if one isn't into artwork/cd as a physical object etc. - but purchasing something in mp3s only is utterly nuts and makes no sense to me at all. i think that's what is killing music, if anything.
(about viruses, it's easy: just get a mac. :smth023
viruses are actually one of the reasons i don't even consider getting a pc anymore.)
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 04, 2007, 22:17:30
(about viruses, it's easy: just get a mac. :smth023
viruses are actually one of the reasons i don't even consider getting a pc anymore.)
Computer viruses are mainly because of the operative system (which most of the times is Windows), and not really because of the machine itself. If someone has a PC and want to be sure that there won't be viruses, you can put a good anti-virus or switch to another operative system as Linux. Most viruses attack just Windows.
Quote from: dsanchez on October 04, 2007, 22:26:47
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 04, 2007, 22:17:30
(about viruses, it's easy: just get a mac. :smth023
viruses are actually one of the reasons i don't even consider getting a pc anymore.)
Computer viruses are mainly because of the operative system (which most of the times is Windows), and not really because of the machine itself. If someone has a PC and want to be sure that there won't be viruses, you can put a good anti-virus or switch to another operative system as Linux. Most viruses attack just Windows.
you're right, and i was just about to add that if i'd ever consider getting a pc again i'd surely be running on linux. i wouldn't even consider windows - not only because of the viruses but because i think it's just amazingly clumsy and non-userfriendly OS in all.
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 04, 2007, 22:17:30
Quote from: Cure Freak on October 04, 2007, 21:22:12
This is the main rerason I don't have an IPOD. I like to listen to a whole vinyl or cd they way it was intended. With no shuffle tracks.
well, one doesn't have to shuffle tracks on ipod/portable player - there's nothing in the machine that would force you to it. you can just as well listen to the albums as a whole... i do it all the time. yet my ipod is just something i keep with me so i have something to do when i sit on a bus to work/back to home. i never listen to new albums on ipod, i never download anything to it from the web. just have a couple of favorite "bullet-proof" albums there to keep me company. and i always listen to them as complete albums, i rarely skip tracks.
so ipods or mp3 players alone don't force anyone to any sort of listening habits. it's up to everyone's own choice how to use the hardware.
Well, you have a point there. Maybe I just prefer the full quality that comes with a vinyl or cd. And IPODs do have their advantages, like you said- something to have whern on a bus.
:smth011 well I might have to upgrade again!!! I have windows.. howSTUPID of me not to know it attracts viruses... have to change quickly before Robert's prediction comes true and music will be internet based.... I have never heard of linux !??
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Quote from: scatcat on October 05, 2007, 06:04:50
:smth011 well I might have to upgrade again!!! I have windows.. howSTUPID of me not to know it attracts viruses... have to change quickly before Robert's prediction comes true and music will be internet based.... I have never heard of linux !??
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Not sure that it actively attracts them. Just that the vast majority of the cyber community are running a windows PC of some description & so the likelihood of any attack is that much greater.
back OT (on topic ;)) regarding the packaging. If the bands offering the downloads can also offer the cover art as part of the download, that wouldn't be so bad. I got the artwork with the Porcupine Tree downloads. The only thing you need then is access to a decent quality printers. For me that's not so bad, as I manage a team the services HP printers.
Quote from: Steve on October 05, 2007, 06:20:43
Quote from: scatcat on October 05, 2007, 06:04:50
:smth011 well I might have to upgrade again!!! I have windows.. howSTUPID of me not to know it attracts viruses... have to change quickly before Robert's prediction comes true and music will be internet based.... I have never heard of linux !??
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Not sure that it actively attracts them. Just that the vast majority of the cyber community are running a windows PC of some description & so the likelihood of any attack is that much greater.
no it's not just the matter of attraction and/or likelihood. i'm not sure about linux viruses, but with mac, well you just practically don't have viruses that would get activated within mac OS, it's that simple. it's possible that you might "host" a pc virus on mac (meaning that it might slip to your computer with some attachment or something) but it doesn't affect the system in any way, it can cause no harm. so it's not that pcs were somehow more likely to be attacked because they were more common - the viruses are designed for a certain OS. to contaminate linux computer, you'd need to design a special virus for linux OS: not sure if those exist, i'd be surprised if they even do.
so i guess people seem to hate bill gates the most because all viruses seem to be designed to contaminate and run down pcs running on windows...
whenever i get a new album, i always listen to it on my CD player, never ipod. i listen to all the tracks from start to finish, in order... for me it just feels wrong not to do this... ive always done it, and i feel that they were picked in that order by the artist for a certain reason, so i like to listen to them like that.. but then after ive done that then i listen to them in whatever order.
@imaginarynancyboy
I do the same (unless it's a downloaded concert).
But the thing with me is that I actually work about 120km from where I actually live, so I rent a flat in this town & travel back at the weekends.
It's a bit of a pain in the backside to drag my whole hifi here & back each weekend (it's enough with the cat), so I usually rip the discs to my ipod I connect up to my itrip to listen to in the car.
I also have a totally brilliant pair of Sennheiser earphones (tip for ipod owners: Throw the bundled ear phones in the bin & spend a bit of money on decent ones), so when I rip, I rip in lossless formats & when go out for a walk I can appreciate it more.
Only downside is that I have almost filled up my 80gb ipod now, so I need to do some housekeeping i fear.
I was thinking last night about the downloading of music. My guess it is going to be predominantly mp3s that are available. I find it quite perverse to think that the live (bootleg) recordings we all enjoy right now are eventually going to be of a higher standard than the available downloads :?
Quote from: scatcat on October 04, 2007, 14:21:15
As Reported in The Herald Sun today October 4th: the day the music died by Cameron Adams;
" "Australians are still downloading entire albums-up to almost150 per cent this year...Local downloaders prefer to pick and choose. Many commentators blame this on growing disappointment with albums on the the heavy use of sub-standard material..many also blame the record industry for committing musical suicide.
Cure frontman Robert Smith is in the unusual position of sweating over the track listing of a new Cure album to be released in an environment in which many listeners will hear it only as part of a shuffle"
Robert says " I'm very aware of a younger generation having no concept of track listing, they just jump and shuffle on their iPod. I think it's an alien way of listening to albums. We are on th cusp of a serious shift in the way people listen to music. It's happening around us." The Cure have one album left on their deal with Geffen Records, and Smith sees a time when bands will bypass record companies altogether.
Robert goes on to say" The strange thing is the Cure are one of the few bands who don't sell that many pick-and-mix songs. We actually sell albums. People still want Pornography the album. They don't just want A Hundred Years, they want the whole album.
Now It'll be very difficult to keep that idea of an album established. I think people want to hear albums from the past the way they were meant to be heard. I suspect that will fade. I won't be around to see it." "
I hope this does not mean the end is nigh!! :cry: What does it mean? I always certainly purchase albums, and would want the whole album and nothing but the whole album. What is the opinion out there?
scatcat :smth020
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I read that article too, that's why I went out and spent $400 on Cure CD's! :smth020
I think they should MP3 players and stuff because CD's are fun to collect in their entirety (album covers, lyrics etc.) and musicians should get the money for their music.
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excellento.. keep on that way dude and The Cure will keep making music in the format; I hope Robert reads this and doesn't retire!! The younger generation that he talks about includes you, so pass the word... no more technological advances!! :smth023
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AH, EVERYTHING MUST GO!
YOU CANT STOP PROGRESS...
THEN AGAIN:
INDUSTRY WILL CERTAINLY FIND IT'S WAY TO MAKE PROFIT
BANDS WILL HAVE TO PLAY LIVE TO MAKE MONEY
MORE OR LESS - FANS ARE IN A WIN-WIN SITUATION
:-D
yes I suppose it's all true, more artists are just making their music available to fans, e.g. Kylie is going to release her new song a day before it officaially goes out, available to download to fans... but everything is then just virual, lacking substance.
:cry:
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If I'm going to buy something over the net, I'll buy the whole album so I can actually have a hard copy of it. Even if it costs me a few extra dollars. I like having cds and I like having the little booklet of lyrics/pictures that comes with it. I really dislike shuffle ipods because they mix all your music up.. I want to listen to my music in order, dammit! :eek:
Quote from: zyxibule on October 07, 2007, 13:10:55
If I'm going to buy something over the net, I'll buy the whole album so I can actually have a hard copy of it. Even if it costs me a few extra dollars. I like having cds and I like having the little booklet of lyrics/pictures that comes with it. I really dislike shuffle ipods because they mix all your music up.. I want to listen to my music in order, dammit! :eek:
I agree!!!!!!!!!!!! :rocker
I miss the packaging with downloaded albums and generally refuse to pay for mickey-mouse quality mp3s. I might consider buying more downloads in lossless if they weren't too expensive, but in general if I am going to buy something I want the packaging and sleevenotes etc, and they sound a lot better through my hi-fi (although my PC sounds quite good through it too). I bought the recent River Run singles by Underworld which came with some awesome electronic packaging and movies and pics. I thought these were great except that the bitrate was only 192k mp3 and one was 160k mp3. They were only a fiver though for 30 mins each approximately, so not too bad. I prefer to DL albums to check them out and then buy them if there is enough on it that I like.
Quote from: psychophysio on October 09, 2007, 06:59:04
I miss the packaging with downloaded albums and generally refuse to pay for mickey-mouse quality mp3s. I might consider buying more downloads in lossless if they weren't too expensive, but in general if I am going to buy something I want the packaging and sleevenotes etc, and they sound a lot better through my hi-fi (although my PC sounds quite good through it too). I bought the recent River Run singles by Underworld which came with some awesome electronic packaging and movies and pics. I thought these were great except that the bitrate was only 192k mp3 and one was 160k mp3. They were only a fiver though for 30 mins each approximately, so not too bad. I prefer to DL albums to check them out and then buy them if there is enough on it that I like.
yeah, after downloading new song,something's missing... I still want to hold the single/album
in my hand ...I can't wait!!! :rocker
:smth020
Quote from: boneheadhaggar on October 04, 2007, 18:55:02
I always prefer putting on a CD sitting back and listening to it in full, and I too like the whole idea of the artwork/packaging rather than just having countless tracks on an ipod :rocker
exactly. I like to listen to quality product (whic downloads aren't). A lot of the bands I like take time to make a record sound the way it does and I want to appreciate it for what it is. There will always be a market for the physical product - it is just getting smaller and therefore we will have to pay more for it.
I like what Radiohead are doing. Selling the discbox is a good idea. I'm sucker for a package like that and want the Cure to do something similar with the new album.
I understand what Robert is talking about, but things will definately change, good or bad, and we will end up liking it all. He has nothing to worry about with his fans not listening to all of his songs. I, for one, will listen to every one of his songs! There is something about his peotry that entails a feeling of relaxation in us and to inspire to live life to the fullest. Cure fans know what Robert and Co. are capable of in the musical talents and we will strive to listen and peice together a well written musical encore. To this day The Cure display the most compelling and heartwrenching concerts ever and no one can touch him. He puts on a show and how he thinks it should be and sometimes even adds new lyrics to a song or two.
For digital downloads, yes I will buy one song froma band, but when it comes to the Cure, i will always get the whole CD. Even if the album sucks, I will alway let the music grow on me, because Robert knows how to put together a musical genius!
Just downloaded In Rainbows by Radiohead, but at the same time ordered Mr. Beast By Mogwai on double vinyl LP.
I think its pretty obvious which is going to be more fun to listen to. :smth020
Of course you cant really compare the 2 artists, but if i had to choose between mp3 and Vinyl, there is no contest, ever. The sound quality on vinyl is miles better and id say even better than most CDs, as most people know with CDs, you get horrible digital distortion because its mastered so loud and everything is compressed. Radiohead's idea of letting people pay however much they want is genuis, they cant be arsed trying to sell shite quiality mp3's to people.......so, they'll just let you decide...... its a great idea for established artists get rid of scrounging record companies and its great to see a band that cares about this sort of thing, most people just seem to go "yeah, ive made my millions... im off now".
Its just sad the way things are going really.
Bring back things you can actually own with artwork!
It is so hard to get the vinyls I want here, :( especailly the Cure, but I keep my eyes open ... now that record players are selling like hotcakes..! :smth023
Quote from: strange_day on October 14, 2007, 14:46:18
Radiohead's idea of letting people pay however much they want is genuis, they cant be arsed trying to sell shite quiality mp3's to people.......so, they'll just let you decide......
it's a shame they have only lossy download option. i'd love to give that album a listen but i just can't be arsed to pay even one cent for mp3s, sorry but i don't. i'm all pro copyrights what comes to artists getting decently paid for their work (and i do mean artists, not record companies, and decent means... well, decent) so no i'm not looking for a freebie download either, that's not what i mean. but at the same time i'm determined not to pay for some half-butchered compressed stuff, no thanks.
so i guess i have a personal dilemma here...
Quote from: strange_day on October 14, 2007, 14:46:18
Bring back things you can actually own with artwork!
yes it's pretty sad when one is being forced to notice that disposability has become a value in itself all around you. all kinds of junk is being valued almost solely because you can easily replace it and get a new one. i guess i have a personal dilemma with that too...
i like things like records just as objects, as something that you can age together with...
Still in love with LP's.
- but i have bought many individual songs from itunes, as i already have the LP's but not so easy to travel with:P
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 14, 2007, 16:27:38
it's a shame they have only lossy download option. i'd love to give that album a listen but i just can't be arsed to pay even one cent for mp3s, sorry but i don't. i'm all pro copyrights what comes to artists getting decently paid for their work (and i do mean artists, not record companies, and decent means... well, decent) so no i'm not looking for a freebie download either, that's not what i mean. but at the same time i'm determined not to pay for some half-butchered compressed stuff, no thanks.
so i guess i have a personal dilemma here...
yes it's pretty sad when one is being forced to notice that disposability has become a value in itself all around you. all kinds of junk is being valued almost solely because you can easily replace it and get a new one. i guess i have a personal dilemma with that too...
i like things like records just as objects, as something that you can age together with...
Exactly, its that disposable nature about it i hate.
How can something that someone has put so much time effort and money into be sold like that, as just digital information and at rubbish quality aswell? It makes no sense.
Apparently Radiohead will release it early next year on CD, at least thats something.
The only good thing about it is that record compaines are removed completely. Which, in theory puts everyone on the same level. The problem there though comes with distribution, if bands or artists want a 'proper' ;) format, it has to be entirely self-funded which means new bands find it difficult to get anywhere. The only way to make any sort of living in music now is by playing shows really, but again, its a while before you can get big enough to make money from that.
Indeed, its a strange time in the world of music. Somethings got to give at some point, i just hope it means record companies will be stripped of their easy ways to rip people off and instead start doing what they should, which is help people to carry on making music.
you're right, the good thing is that it forces the record companies to wake up and change... i hope something good will come out of it too though, and not just music truning disposable...
i guess the record companies role is going to change radically if they want to stay alive. so maybe they won't disappear altogether but turn into something that takes care of not only records but concert promotion, other skind of merchandise, even have rights to the artists name as a brand. i guess madonna's recent multimillion contract that's under negotiation with LiveNation is a good example of that sort of thing:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/material-girl-looks-for-more-in-new-contract/2007/10/11/1191696079954.html
vinyl and running order.
I collected now for so many nears cure stuff. I think it goes more in 10.000$ region. You now: cure addicted, it is not wise, but also not stupid... Many of this rare vinyls are still sealed, but for now I have the chance to get a grip on very, very good phono equipment. Do you ever listen in compare to CD and vinyl (washed, good sound system)? Do you hear the difference in dynamics and so on?
OK. concerts/live is always a big difference, you know, u not only listen, u feel more, but when listening, there is nothing better than listening on vinyl than on CD or Digital stuff.
Understand me right, I m an informatics, most of my stuff/surounding me, it is digital. But if u get a chance to hear music on vinyl on a good sound system, you will be suprised as i am.
For me it is again a difference in listening to.
cu vnvrum
I guess technology and the world around us is changing ever so fast in our generation and the next.. Just watching The Cure interview in Mexico and the things Robert said there about The Album becoming a dying art, and that the upcoming awaited album will be their last Album released... :cry: "The end of life is looming" , but as he said, they will have to "embrace that change". :smth100
I mean, also, music aside... there will be a time soon, already starting now, that even BOOKS will become obsolete, everything will be virtual, on the internet.. But it can be lost so easily... :smth011
oh damn technology!! :smth100
Wouldnt it be just so cool if The Cure made a vinyl collectable double record :smth069
of this "last CD" I would just love that, so much :smth023
Me vinyl junkie :smth020
most of my peers have ipods.. i have to sneak a cd player in class while they wave around their ipod videos and such. *sigh*
*hugs vinyl* there is no way they can replace cds and vinyl, i still listen to casettes from my parents! my friend recently bought a $400 ipod touch, id rather have a $400 turntable - though i love how the ipod is portable and conventional. but just digital feels a bit detached - holding the record/cd/casette in my hand felt like holding a book, a story - you dont get that with an mp3. my friends think im crazy for not wanting an ipod - but vinyl/cd/tapes and other collectibles for the same value in money.
with mp3 - piracy just becomes too easy. anyone can just upload it onto limewire and such (another way the artist and record company loses money) - and besides mp3s arent "collectible". it breaks my heart - the artists work so so damn hard on their music, and people can just download it for free.
i want to learn how to convert files to flac/lossless and such, but its so damn confusing!
- the whole mp3 thing is gonna kill the record store. i like chatting it up with the people and the cashier, and admiring the physical art. kids dont have credit cards to buy at the itunes stores anyways.
Quote from: scatcat on October 26, 2007, 18:13:16
I guess technology and the world around us is changing ever so fast in our generation and the next.. Just watching The Cure interview in Mexico and the things Robert said there about The Album becoming a dying art, and that the upcoming awaited album will be their last Album released... :cry: "The end of life is looming" , but as he said, they will have to "embrace that change". :smth100
I mean, also, music aside... there will be a time soon, already starting now, that even BOOKS will become obsolete, everything will be virtual, on the internet.. But it can be lost so easily... :smth011
oh damn technology!! :smth100
DAY THE MUSIC DIED... THATS A BUT PRETENTIOUS HUH?
:D
TECHNOLOGY IS OK
THE ALBUM IS A DEAD ART FOR BRITNEY SPEARS AND IT WAS DEAD SINCE ONE HIT WONDERS APPEARED...
THE TRUE ARTIST WILL ALWAYS MAKE SOME SENSE OUT OF HIS ART, AND THE ALBUM IS ONE OF THE MOST LOGICAL THINGS IN MUSIC BUSINESS. YOU WRITE SONGS AND YOU MAKE A COLLECTION OF THEM SO YOU COULD MOVE ON... WHATS THE ALTERNATIVE? THE COUNTLESS STREAM OF SONGS?! ROBERT IS BEING A BIT SILLY (DAFT FUTURISTIC PONDERING...) OR MAYBE ROBERT THINKS RELEASING THE NEW ALBUM IN 20 YEARS OR SO..
THE FACT THAT THERE ARE DOWNLOADS NOW DOESN'T MEAN THAT CD WILL OR SHOULD DIE, ITS LIKE SAYING THAT BICYCLES SHOULD DIE BECAUSE YOU CAN DRIVE A CAR...
THATS LIKE SAYING MP3 SHOULD DIE BECAUSE YOU GOT FLAC...
BY THE WAY, BOOKS WILL NEVER BE OBSOLETE - THEY ARE RELEASING WIKIPEDIA AS A BOOK IN GERMANY!
:smth023 :smth023
i believe in u JANKO.. :smth023
i truly hope in my heart that a band such as The Cure.. a soundtrack to my life.. will ever resort to cold... digital downloads.. or whatever they are labelled.
i believe in The Cure .
I believe that The Cure ... Robert Smith.. IS old-school. :D
I believe that Bob will always stay true to his fans.. ( yeah.. some of us are oldish.. :oops: )
.. and keep releasing their art, our music, on CD'S, or at the least, vinyl..
( what an inspiring leap)..
I believe that as long as The Cure are a band, or even Robert in solo..!!?? :smth020
he would be available to his decades-old.. :roll:... fans.. in releasing NEW material in CD format ..at least.. i wanna hold it in my hands.. 8)