this is funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5KTlBQzYSs
it can be SOOOO difficult to do 5/4 :lol:
I loved it! :D
:smth080 :smth082
if only bob would talk more to the crowd?? ;)
Quote from: scatcat on December 22, 2007, 11:31:50
if only bob would talk more to the crowd?? ;)
uh, oh god please no no no... the day he starts babbling to the crowds i think i might stop listening to their live stuff. :oops:
i've always had a speacial appreciation towards him for not babbling between the tracks.
generally i hate babbling performers: they remind me of bono - which is not a plus to anyone, not at all.
for instance, i went to marilyn manson two days ago and one thing i found totally out of place there was his damn babbling. at first i couldn't almost believe it, it was so damn out of place. he should just shut up and do his stuff and be done with it. but instead, he was putting up things like an ages old idiotic shouting/loudness competition between left and right sides of the audience - that was the lousiest thing ever. :smth011
ol' bob used to tell these famous jokes back in the late 80s/early 90s. ive always thought even those felt somehow out of place and like a waste of time, although they certainly weren't a typical kind of babbling with the crowds.
but i think he's a lot better if he keeps his mouth shut between the songs...
i think this particular case was funny because it was completely random, one-off thing. but if they'd ever do it twice, it would turn into something utterly stupid.
hehe :D you're right..don't want another Bono!! :smth023
Ehmmmm....
I think it would be better without clapping... :? :lol:
Quote from: japanesebaby on December 22, 2007, 12:01:23
generally i hate babbling performers: they remind me of bono - which is not a plus to anyone, not at all.
I CONCUR.
We need to distinguish two different ways to talk to the crowd...Bono talks about peace, love, africa's problems during the concerts, while this singer is almost ridiculous...please don't confuse chocolate and sh*t, as we say in italy!! :-D
aaghh.. I have fallen asleep at 2 U2 concerts in my life... I don't really remember bono talking about world peace or love.. but I remember his attitude on stage.. :smth100
I remember at the Melb. concert.. with Robert only saying "Thank you".. I was yelling : "Thank YOU!!" He was very quiet in relating to the crowd.. but that is The Cure.. :rocker
Quote from: Lady on December 22, 2007, 16:18:40
please don't confuse chocolate and sh*t, as we say in italy!! :-D
this is apt!! :smth023
Quote from: Lady on December 22, 2007, 16:18:40
We need to distinguish two different ways to talk to the crowd...Bono talks about peace, love, africa's problems during the concerts, while this singer is almost ridiculous...please don't confuse chocolate and sh*t, as we say in italy!! :-D
hell, i'd surely rather listen to this guy than bono: at least this guy is teaching the public something useful and not just babbling. sdon'ät get me wrong but i think it's really easy to babble about africa, peace love and all the world's problems - there's nothing special in that. maybe it was something new in 1984 but it's lost all it's potency by now, for sure.
and agian, don't get me wrong: there's nothing bad about peace and love as such - important, yes it is... but babbling about it on stage in a rock concert is just a lifeless habit today. it's just as stereotyped and manieristic as doing some "good ol' genuine rock moves and poses on stage: it has just as much message and content as that.
i mean honestly, a multi-millionaire bono babbling about the starving kids in afraica, year after year after year after...if he really does care about that cause so much, then why doesn't he give ALL his freaking money to make things better down there in africa? but no of course he won't - because babbling about those things is
just part of his stage act. so in my opinion, he is just as good as someone who is just using all those starving people to promote
his own cause.
that's all - sadly.
i still hate babblers and i'm not defending this guy in particular, but at least in this case something extraordinary and surprising seemed to happen and the babble that came out of it was a reaction to that, not some rock-act designed well ahead.
maybe i could stand bono a bit more if he started moving into this direction? hmmm... not sure.
anyway, about chocolate and shit, i agree - but i think it's the other way round...
Quote from: scatcat on December 22, 2007, 16:47:07
aaghh.. I have fallen asleep at 2 U2 concerts in my life... I don't really remember bono talking about world peace or love.. but I remember his attitude on stage.. :smth100
Hey scat, are you sure it was a u2's concert?? :smth043 ;) :-D
Yes, I love when robert says his "thank you"!!!!!!! :roll: :smth023
Quote from: Lady on December 22, 2007, 17:00:54
Quote from: scatcat on December 22, 2007, 16:47:07
aaghh.. I have fallen asleep at 2 U2 concerts in my life... I don't really remember bono talking about world peace or love.. but I remember his attitude on stage.. :smth100
Hey scat, are you sure it was a u2's concert?? :smth043 ;) :-D
YES ABSOLUTELTY!! I have 2 sisters into U2.. I have always been into The Cure, they took me along, and my sis was soo pi##sed at me for falling asleep, at the Entertainment Centre in Melb, about mid '80's, then later on in mid 90's... boring.. yawn.. :smth015
I still have nightmares about bono's ultra-ego in the 90's with his sunglasses..what was that??!! :shock:
heyyyyyy guys let's not make this a bono-thread ok?
and i take the blame for that derailing, since i was the first to mention bono, but let me just add that i think we miss the point here if we start talking too much about peace and love and whether it's ok to talk about that. BUT that's completely a different thing than what this example was about: this is about clapping (and uneven beats).
the singer's point to start babbling/chatting on stage was not because he even wanted to have something to babble as such. the point here was the uneven beat of 5/4 (just listen to the music there!) :!:
now, anyone's supposed to know how to clap to the rock music - of course. and yet, some dudes in the audience obviously got confused because of the 5/4 beat and it became all funny.
see? that's the point and that's why i posted it. because of the 5/4 confusion... because i simply find it pretty funny that some people can clap to 3/4 or 4/4 but get instantly mixed up when it's 5/4 or 7/4 - that's just hilarious! poor guys, they probably don't have all their... let's say, their "rhythm marbles" intact hahaha :lol:
clapclapclapclapclap :-D
yes of course, back on track.. the clapping bit is still making me giggle.. only because I still don't have my 'marbles' ... I get lost in time.. 3/4, even 4/4.. as soon as something distracts me .. I'm GONE!! :smth020
let alone 5/4... :?
@japanesebaby: First of all welcome back! ;)
I really don't care very much if an artist talks or doesn't talk during a concert, because the quality of his music is the most important thing (and I really wouldn't love Bono if he was just an "orator" without any talent)...but I think there's nothing bad when an artist wants to communicate with his audience, especially about important themes and if this behaviour can make people sensitive to these problems, imo it's a good thing. :smth001
Quote from: scatcat on December 22, 2007, 17:20:36
yes of course, back on track.. the clapping bit is still making me giggle.. only because I still don't have my 'marbles' ... I get lost in time.. 3/4, even 4/4.. as soon as something distracts me .. I'm GONE!! :smth020
let alone 5/4... :?
hehe ok... but i mean, if people can easily count up to five (or six or seven) - as most of us surrely can - then why not just clap five times ( clap-one clap-two clap-three clap-four clap-five) - and that's it! that's 5/4 - so there's nothing difficult in it at all: just count to five and clap once with every number, then start again - it couldn't be easier, really.
but i really think people just get confused in advance, even before trying it, because people somehow tend to think that 5/4 is "supposed to be difficult" - just because it's an uneven beat. but it's really not! something like 3/8 + 3/4 + 5/8 + 9/16 is something that craves concentration, yes: but 5/4 is simply the same kind of clapping as is 4/4 and as is every kind of rock concert clapping. it's.... just clapping, that's all you have to do, believe me! ;P
but that predetermined confusion about something that is not even really complicated if you just try it out once is what caused the funny situation there in the video... i suppose the guys in the band had a good laugh too. :lol:
I promise.. this is my last post in this thread!!I am laughing soo much cos.. I would be the ones in the crowd not keeping time.... :-D because of short-term memory loss.. I get to 3 and I forget where I am!! :smth100
laugh !! haha!!.. don't worry I'll forget in a few seconds.. :shock:
Quote from: japanesebaby on December 22, 2007, 12:01:23
i went to marilyn manson two days ago
I hope you won a free ticket instead of paying good money to see them. :P Sorry, I just really don't like MM.
Anyway, I'm sitting here at work wondering if I can clap along in 5/4 (no speakers on my work computer). Pretty sure it's a feasible task. I studied music throughout school (mostly performance with one sememster of theory. We spent some time conducting and went through various oddball time signatures. 5/4 was a challange...
Quote from: japanesebaby on December 22, 2007, 16:53:27
but babbling about it on stage in a rock concert is just a lifeless habit today. it's just as stereotyped and manieristic as doing some "good ol' genuine rock moves and poses on stage: it has just as much message and content as that.
Agree here. Actually this "pose" reminds me of lot of people here in Peru using a "Che Guevara" t-shirt without probably knowing who the hell he was.
Quote from: dsanchez on December 22, 2007, 21:08:28
Quote from: japanesebaby on December 22, 2007, 16:53:27
but babbling about it on stage in a rock concert is just a lifeless habit today. it's just as stereotyped and manieristic as doing some "good ol' genuine rock moves and poses on stage: it has just as much message and content as that.
Agree here. Actually this "pose" reminds me of lot of people here in Peru using a "Che Guevara" t-shirt without probably knowing who the hell he was.
Same thing in the U.S. w/ people wearing Che Guevara shirts. There's even some that parody his likeness. I swear most people weat them simply because they saw some rock star wearing one. They guys in Rage Against the Machine come to mind.
Quote from: crowbi_wan on December 22, 2007, 22:52:24
Quote from: dsanchez on December 22, 2007, 21:08:28
Quote from: japanesebaby on December 22, 2007, 16:53:27
but babbling about it on stage in a rock concert is just a lifeless habit today. it's just as stereotyped and manieristic as doing some "good ol' genuine rock moves and poses on stage: it has just as much message and content as that.
Agree here. Actually this "pose" reminds me of lot of people here in Peru using a "Che Guevara" t-shirt without probably knowing who the hell he was.
Same thing in the U.S. w/ people wearing Che Guevara shirts. There's even some that parody his likeness. I swear most people weat them simply because they saw some rock star wearing one. They guys in Rage Against the Machine come to mind.
i think most people who one can see weargin che guevara shirts here are just some posh kids that bought them from some over-priced retro shop - and that's all there is to it for them. :roll:
about ms. manson: yeah actually i did pay for my ticket but actually i also do have a perfectly good excuse for it.
but not that i like him, no. but to be honest what comes to the show, i've actually paid for crappier and less entertaining shows than his - but what comes to his music, well i've certainly heard better. :-P
(and come on guys CLAPPING to 5/4 just isn't difficult (unless clapping hadns together is to be considered difficult in general). but sure, conducting in 5/4 might crave a bit more - but not clapping.)
Too funny! :smth043
Why do people insist on clapping during songs who have no rythym whatsoever? :smth017 That's just so annoying! :shock:
Quote from: LuvURobert on December 23, 2007, 17:43:37
Why do people insist on clapping during songs who have no rythym whatsoever? :smth017 That's just so annoying! :shock:
indeed. it reminds me of people back in school who had no musical ear whatsoever but who sitll had to listen to music and had to have their favorite bands/groups - just because it was something that everyone was supposed to have. i remember my cousin who's totally deaf and has NO musicla ear/talent whatsoever: he always just looked what records were selling and then went and bought those and listened to those and that was his new favorite music for a while. and the next week he "got into" some coompletely other group - i remember how that was driving me crazy back then! because there was no logic in it whatsoever, what bands he picked up...
anyway, nowadays i tend to think that it must have been sort of awful to force oneself to like music just because it's "something that everyone's supposed to like". :S
also, that's probably why all these utterly crappy artists sell so many records all the time: because millions of deaf people buy it just because there's this social pressure to "like" music.
Quote from: japanesebaby on January 04, 2008, 19:41:56
also, that's probably why all these utterly crappy artists sell so many records all the time: because millions of deaf people buy it just because there's this social pressure to "like" music.
hahaha :smth046 I am a non-conformist!! I refuse to conform to the dreadful noise that is out there nowadays... with but a few exceptions.. I am getting too old. :smth011 I still live in the 80's :oops: and even further back, 60's, and even 70's.. 8)
I just saw this today...And if I'd been there I probably would have hopped up on stage and kissed the guy. It makes me crazy when people start clapping at a concert, because after a very short time they start clapping off-rhythm -- usually too fast. And it just spoils things for me -- I'm one of those hateful people who used to shoot dark looks at the girl behind me in high school choir when she hit a sour note. :oops: I realize concerts should be about participation and mine is kind of a snobbish b*tchy attitude, but to me if you can't sing or keep time....Shut your mouth and keep your hands still!
I've watched the video and it's funny :smth043
Oh dear the crowd has no rhythm.
I normally like it when people are clapping at concerts, but not off-rhythm.
Better you let it be. And i also don't like it when people are singing and it's
out of tune. That sounds horrible. It's better they sing in their own four walls, so they won't get on your nerves.
So do not clapping and singing at Concerts :) ;)
I have nothing against if an artist communicates with the audience, but it should let me say not something that you have the feeling you have to cover your ears. That happend to me at the Hurrikan Festival 2004. The Hives were on stage before The Cure and the singer talked such rubbish, e.g. something like - have you cleaned your teeth. It was unpleasant.
Someone said in turn, in the crowd where i was standing, that the singer of the next band doesn't talk too much.
After The Hives were gone i was really glad. And yes Robert didn't talk too much, as always :D
Quote from: silversand on January 06, 2008, 01:13:01
I have nothing against if an artist communicates with the audience, but it should let me say not something that you have the feeling you have to cover your ears. That happend to me at the Hurrikan Festival 2004. The Hives were on stage before The Cure and the singer talked such rubbish, e.g. something like - have you cleaned your teeth. It was unpleasant.
Someone said in turn, in the crowd where i was standing, that the singer of the next band doesn't talk too much.
After The Hives were gone i was really glad. And yes Robert didn't talk too much, as always :D
yeah, that kind of thing sucks! the stupidest experience i've had was at the Muse gig on wembley stadium last summer, when i was forced to watch through the My Chemical Romance's opening set (oh christ!!). i think everyone in the audience was really thrilled, waiting for the actual, PRIMARY show to start. everyone was there having a great time and very happy, many people travelled a long way to be there (like myself). and then this idiotic MCR singer starts a speech like "don't be depressed, remember that suicide is never an option..." - everyone was like WTF????? ok, suicide is a very serious thing and depression is a very serious thing, i don't disagree - BUT people should know WHEN they say something. some people have absolutely NO sense of so called "situation intelligence" (don't know the english word, sorry). i mean they can't seem to read the situation and understand what's going on and act according to that. and coming from a stage performer, that's a sign of unprofessionalism. :smth011
i remember that people around me started shouting back "hey stop it - or i'll kill myself!!!" to the MCR singer... of course, a bad joke - but sort of fitting one too!
and yeah: some people should only sing when they are taking a shower.
Quote from: japanesebaby on January 06, 2008, 09:58:24
and yeah: some people should only sing when they are taking a shower.
:smth043 :smth043 :smth044 :smth045
Love the clapping lesson. I always sing in the shower, but has anyone ever tried clapping in the shower? :lol:
I don't mind a bit of banter with the band/ crowd, but it can get embarrassing. I saw the Sisters at Crystal Palace when they supported DM in 93 & Eldritch was way too chatty (poss something to do with stimulants).
He came accross a being a complete @rse. :roll:
Quote from: Steve on January 06, 2008, 10:13:18
but has anyone ever tried clapping in the shower? :lol:
hey that's a great idea! i think i'm just about to start a new hobby here! :D :-D
Quote from: japanesebaby on January 06, 2008, 09:58:24
yeah, that kind of thing sucks! the stupidest experience i've had was at the Muse gig on wembley stadium last summer, when i was forced to watch through the My Chemical Romance's opening set (oh christ!!). i think everyone in the audience was really thrilled, waiting for the actual, PRIMARY show to start. everyone was there having a great time and very happy, many people travelled a long way to be there (like myself). and then this idiotic MCR singer starts a speech like "don't be depressed, remember that suicide is never an option..." - everyone was like WTF????? ok, suicide is a very serious thing and depression is a very serious thing, i don't disagree - BUT people should know WHEN they say something. some people have absolutely NO sense of so called "situation intelligence" (don't know the english word, sorry). i mean they can't seem to read the situation and understand what's going on and act according to that. and coming from a stage performer, that's a sign of unprofessionalism. :smth011
i remember that people around me started shouting back "hey stop it - or i'll kill myself!!!" to the MCR singer... of course, a bad joke - but sort of fitting one too!
and yeah: some people should only sing when they are taking a shower.
Oh dear, the singer of My Chemical Romance hadn't got a sensitiveness at all.
Why did he say that? He is an idol for his fans. And it was unprofessional.
Like you said suicide and depression are two serious things.
It would sometimes really better if the singer of a band keep his/her mouth shut or think first about what he/she want to say.
But i hope you enjoyed the Muse Concert anyway :)
@steve: No i haven't tried clapping in the shower yet, but that's really a very good idea, maybe i will try it out :D
I quite like a bit of friendly banter with the crowd but completely agree that some performers should keep their mouths firmly shut in between songs....
I was taken to see Christina Aguilera a few years ago (definitely NOT my choice I might add) and she launched into in depth monologues about believing in yourself after just about every song, well, when she wasn't changing outfits.
Pleeeasse....I've come to be entertained, not lectured to..
Quote from: japanesebaby on January 06, 2008, 10:23:15
Quote from: Steve on January 06, 2008, 10:13:18
but has anyone ever tried clapping in the shower? :lol:
hey that's a great idea! i think i'm just about to start a new hobby here! :D :-D
Just a word of advice to the guys...hold your arms up a bit when you start clappin' in the shower, ok??!! :shock: :smth047
Quote from: japanesebaby on January 04, 2008, 19:41:56
reminds me of people back in school who had no musical ear whatsoever but who sitll had to listen to music and had to have their favorite bands/groups - just because it was something that everyone was supposed to have.
Yeah, that and the fact that every kid in high school just *
has* to like those overplayed groups like
The Beatles,
Pink Floydd, and
AC/DC.
Wow, how
cool to like bands that everyone else, including the media, forces on you!! No originality here! :roll:
It's just plain "dorky" to steer away from bands like that and enjoy bands like "Siouxsie" or "The Cure" OR "The Chameleons" or "Cocteau Twins"...god forbid that happens, then kids stare and laugh and say;
"What the hell is that? It's not AC/DC or Metallica, so it sucks!"And then there's the rythm like you mentioned. How can you NOT hear that you're offbeat? I never understand these people with no rythm who insist on clapping...can they even hear the music or are their ears delayed??? :(
Quote from: Carnage Visor on January 10, 2008, 02:54:03
"What the hell is that? It's not AC/DC or Metallica, so it sucks!"
young people still listen to AC/DC there? for some reason i'm surprised - i'm really not sure why. but i just find that sort of weird.
People in my age demographic (14-17) listen to all that overplayed nonsense like AC/DC, Metallica, KISS, Led Zeppelin, and The Who...as well as Pink Floydd.
But other stuff like punk and goth rock is completely overlooked. Sad but true, at least where I live.
Quote from: japanesebaby on December 22, 2007, 12:01:23
Quote from: scatcat on December 22, 2007, 11:31:50
if only bob would talk more to the crowd?? ;)
uh, oh god please no no no... the day he starts babbling to the crowds i think i might stop listening to their live stuff. :oops:
i've always had a speacial appreciation towards him for not babbling between the tracks.
generally i hate babbling performers: they remind me of bono - which is not a plus to anyone, not at all.
for instance, i went to marilyn manson two days ago and one thing i found totally out of place there was his damn babbling. at first i couldn't almost believe it, it was so damn out of place. he should just shut up and do his stuff and be done with it. but instead, he was putting up things like an ages old idiotic shouting/loudness competition between left and right sides of the audience - that was the lousiest thing ever. :smth011
ol' bob used to tell these famous jokes back in the late 80s/early 90s. ive always thought even those felt somehow out of place and like a waste of time, although they certainly weren't a typical kind of babbling with the crowds.
but i think he's a lot better if he keeps his mouth shut between the songs...
i think this particular case was funny because it was completely random, one-off thing. but if they'd ever do it twice, it would turn into something utterly stupid.
Don't listen to The Cure show from Munich in 1986, as I remember Robert didn't shut up haha, but its a great set and bootleg anyway :smth023
And Carnage Visor....The Who, Led Zeppelin, and Pink Floyd are very much NOT nonsense :smth020
Those three bands have very highly talented musicians and are successful because of that just like our boys in The Cure. Considering Pink Floyd is one of my favorite bands, I will defend them strongly. If you want to hear some excellent pieces of music, listen to everything they've done from 1967 to 1972 BEFORE Dark Side of the Moon came out. I could go on and on...
I'm just saying pal, if you want to label modern day nonsense, choose Panic! at the Disco, Simple Plan, Yellowcard, and Fallout Boy. :-D
a funny clapping detail from lisboa concert on saturday:
so everyone knows this special kind of clapping that people are supposed to do during the latter half of 'a forest', these two wuick clap on the beat, right? there was this guy next to me/in front of me who just couldn't do this. i wouldn't want to laugh at someone like that but he was so hilarious, he almost made me crack up on the spot. because as we know, you're supposed to clap twice there - but he just couldn't do it, he had to clap three times. or if he tried clapping only twice he missed the beat and just clapped completely out of beat - i honestly don't know how he managed to do that! i think it's a lot more difficult to clap off-beat there than on-beat - especially when a couple of thousand other people are doing it all around you....
i think he himself also probably noticed this slightly embarrassing detail about himself/his own clapping abilities because pretty soon he actually started to look around as if he was looking for hlep/instructions from someone, trying to look very carefully what the others were doing and then copy them...
but no, he just couldn't get it right, and so he just kept clapping all WRONG all throughout the song: either he clapped three times (WRONG) or two times but always completely off-beat . those were pretty much his options. :smth043
i almost wanted to tap him on the shoulder and say "hey come on dude, it can't be THAT difficult, really!!"
(damn i should have filmed that guy on video, it would have been some hilarious material!)
Quote from: Joe on February 04, 2008, 18:53:52
And Carnage Visor....The Who, Led Zeppelin, and Pink Floyd are very much NOT nonsense :smth020
To my mom and I they are...they're tired and overplayed.
Plus, I'm more of a goth fan myself rather than classic rock...
I understand that they layed the bricks, but in a way so did The Cure, for what goth and pop music is today. They kind of started their own subgenre.
And I DO NOT like the bands you mentioned either...but it seems everyone else my age does. What ever happened to good indie stuff?
Quote from: Carnage Visor on March 09, 2008, 23:50:45
To my mom and I they are...they're tired and overplayed.
Plus, I'm more of a goth fan myself rather than classic rock...
well, i think someone like justin timberlake or some other kind of MTV crap can be described as "overplayed". imo pink floyd isn't overplayed by any standards. NOT that you have to like then though, of course. but that's another thing altogether than calling them overplayed. anyway, i honestly don't think much any 70s (classic) rock band is really "overplayed" today. because they've always been pretty much out of fashion, ever since the seventies... especially all progressive bands.
and there are crap goth bands and great classic rock bands and vice versa. so at least to me the genre alone never settled/secured anything.
anyway, nothing to do with clapping here. so let's start another thread if needs to be or continue it on "bands i like/don't like" threads that we have here too.
:D