Yes this practice is generally frowned upon.
But look at Detroit 2000, a fan brought in a sign for Figurehead, Robert saw it, which lead to a trio of Pornography songs.
Or Crowbiwan's story of "M" and the 17 seconds encore at Everett 2004.
Given the ahem... lackluster fixed sets that most of the older school fans are seeing and thus yawning for obvious reasons (let's face it Berlin and Munich setlists weren't anywhere like in the past) so I fear for you Roman and Parisian people....
Any chance some of you cure fans are going to bring some signs should you get by the front to request the dark songs that need to be played, so they get back in rotation? At least do it for the tapers in attendance...
Believe it or not, this may actually have some merit. When I met the band before the show in Camden, NJ in 2004, I asked Robert to play Faith when I came out to see them in Carson. He looked down, then up and said that it was on the "maybe" list for Camden. Sure enough they played it that night. I'll keep telling myself that I had something to do with that one!!
Yep, signage does work. Or at least the one I held up did. :-D Maybe I'll give that another try this year. Well, that will probably have to wait until the U.S. tour. As much as I'd like to get up as close as I was in Everett, standing in line all day in Paris just doesn't sound like a lot of fun. And Antwerp won't work due to my seat. That is unless Robert has a telescope :shock:
i had been thinking of bringing a sign to wien show, saying OTHER VOICES.
i really should have done that since they now did play it in zürich yesterday... ggrrrr!
besides, wien was small enough venue so i was thinking i'd have some more or less reasonable possibilities to get the sign really noticed. no such hope in paris i suppose, like brian said...
A request to those bringing signs to the shows. Please don't hold them up during songs. This isn't Wrestlmania :roll: In fact, the best time to hold them up is after the mainset is over and Robert is giving his thanks. That way he can actually take to to look at them and the request will be fresh in his mind for the encore selections. One thing to note is that Robert has poor vision, so don't think he'll notice you if you hold a sign from back by the mixing desk. Same goes for all you shouting out songs. They have speakers behind them and monitors in front of them. Do you really think shouting for A Forest will be heard by anyone other than those around you. And those around you might just be taping...
A suggestion was made by Ernest to try holding up the signs around wrong number.
Let's just stick with "4 SONG FAITH ENCORE"
and/or "FOREVER" or "A FOREST/FOREVER".
Stick with what the band has rehearsed, played since 2005, and can do as a 4 piece.
Quote from: crowbi_wan on February 28, 2008, 18:04:07
Same goes for all you shouting out songs. They have speakers behind them and monitors in front of them. Do you really think shouting for A Forest will be heard by anyone other than those around you. And those around you might just be taping...
i was just going to say: "people should stop shouting out songs. taping or not, it's just freaking annoying to have someone shouting FIGUREHEEEEEAD!!! right next to you all throught the concert... :evil:
Quote from: Pooka on February 28, 2008, 18:30:18
Let's just stick with "4 SONG FAITH ENCORE"
too long. someone with poor vision and only a few seconds time anyway won't grasp it.
Quote from: crowbi_wan on February 28, 2008, 18:04:07
Same goes for all you shouting out songs. They have speakers behind them and monitors in front of them. Do you really think shouting for A Forest will be heard by anyone other than those around you. And those around you might just be taping...
Depends where you are and where Robert is. If you are on the barrier and robert is standing at the front of the stage between the monitors, and its between a song, then he will hear you. It's also unlikely that you'll have someone trying to tape that close to the front.
In Vienna I asked one of the roadies to hand over a note to Robert where I asked them to play Last Dance but they didn't play it =P
Quote from: crowbi_wan on February 28, 2008, 18:04:07
And those around you might just be taping...
This is prolly way way off topic, but what about those of us who don't shout song requests but like to sing along with the music? I know when I go to concerts I like to have a good time and enjoy myself and sing along. Now knowing that someone by me could be taping makes me uneasy and scared to have a good time. Hell, I'm sure none of you would want to hear me singing "Open" off key with Robert!
Quote from: iwannashagsimon on March 01, 2008, 07:05:39
Quote from: crowbi_wan on February 28, 2008, 18:04:07
And those around you might just be taping...
This is prolly way way off topic, but what about those of us who don't shout song requests but like to sing along with the music? I know when I go to concerts I like to have a good time and enjoy myself and sing along. Now knowing that someone by me could be taping makes me uneasy and scared to have a good time. Hell, I'm sure none of you would want to hear me singing "Open" off key with Robert!
Being next to a taper or not, I think it's pretty rude when people are singing during a show. After all, people paid to hear The Cure, not some other people.
It's fine if people come to have a good time, but shouldn't being able to hear your favorite band be enough? Why impose (usually off-key) singing on your poor neighbors? (who are probably to polite to say anything to you)
I guess you got a point. But most concerts are so loud I can't hear myself think.
The idea of a sign requesting Faith did cross my mind for Milan -- very very briefly though, I've never brought a sign to a concert, it's irritating for those behind you. Besides, they know we want to hear it!
Quote from: j on February 28, 2008, 01:52:52
Believe it or not, this may actually have some merit. When I met the band before the show in Camden, NJ in 2004, I asked Robert to play Faith when I came out to see them in Carson. He looked down, then up and said that it was on the "maybe" list for Camden. Sure enough they played it that night. I'll keep telling myself that I had something to do with that one!!
Similar experience!
At the after-after party at a club in san fran.
It was like 330 and everyone was getting kicked out of the place.
So we waited by the bus to harrass him for photos.
After he was done with the fans, as he was walking onto the stairs of bus...
"ROBERT CAN YOU PLAY FAITH TOMMOROW NIGHT!!?!?"
He stops, turns around.
With one of his huge smiles, and his eyes light up like a child,
he says "Absolutley!" and walks onto the bus.
He played in Sacramento the next night,
not that we really had anything to do with his choice to play it,
but it was still f*cking magical!
You were at the SF after party too? I only saw a glimpse of Robert behind that HUGE bouncer. Carlos D. was hanging out in the main room for quite a bit between his DJ sets, just talking to the fans. Pretty cool of him. Was hoping some Cure members would do the same, but no. Davey (from AFI) was there as well...wanting to be noticed. :roll:
it worked before, we tried it with some people on the Dream tour + may it be just coincidence, but in Stuttgart we asked Perry if he could convince Robert to do the Faith encore set (All Cats/Drowning/Faith) and the next night in Munich they played it... same with a 'Cold' sign in Strasbourg 2000 - Roger saw it, looked at the setlist with a kind of 'sorry not on it' view + for the first encore came out + Robert said we discussed backstage what to play + they started 'Cold'... as said, all just coincidence :-D
I THINK
BRING LOL BACK!
MAKES MORE SENSE THAN
PLEASE PLAY FROM THE EDGE OF THE DEEP GREEN SEA AGAIN!
:-D
Quote from: Janko on March 06, 2008, 15:29:57
I THINK
BRING LOL BACK!
you have my full support with that one, for sure... great idea! :smth023
Quote from: closedown on March 06, 2008, 17:43:45
you have my full support with that one, for sure... great idea! :smth023
:-D
Quote from: Janko on March 06, 2008, 15:29:57
I THINK
BRING LOL BACK!
MAKES MORE SENSE THAN
PLEASE PLAY FROM THE EDGE OF THE DEEP GREEN SEA AGAIN!
:-D
I agree as well... that would be very interesting. :-D
i tried to hold that sign saying 'OTHER VOICES' in lisboa and was going to do the same in bercy. thanks to u-a-b-f for his hard work for being the one to hold up sign in bercy, as he was closer to the stage and more in the middle and so more in front of robert than me, so it was a good idea - or hmmm, maybe he just saw a possibility to make sure that HE would star in the dvd that way haha ;). anyway. again, we didn't get the song... but as i grabbed some newspapers from the airport today, i noticed that hey at least we got some press coverage as one of the articles started like:
pendant tout le show de mercredi soir, à bercy, une pancarte brandie dans la fosse réclamait la chanson other voices.
(saying something like: throughout the show of Wednesday evening in bercy, a sign was held up in the pit requesting the song 'other voices'.)
;)
the sign was passed on to people going to antwerp... hopefully onwards from there too(?).
i'd just like to hear it played at least once more on this tour!
Excellent effort Cure fans! Glad to see some of you doing this.
Now will some American fans please do one for the US leg that says
HOLY VOICES DROWN FAITH
or "FAITH" ENCORE
That should get the msg across...
Awesome guys! :smth023
I feel very proud for this one..
OK so what are the plans amongst fans for the USA leg of the 4Tour 2008 with regards to request signs?
We still on for HOLY VOICES DROWN FAITH or FAITH ENCORE as the signs?
Quote from: Pooka on March 27, 2008, 22:41:18
OK so what are the plans amongst fans for the USA leg of the 4Tour 2008 with regards to request signs?
We still on for HOLY VOICES DROWN FAITH or FAITH ENCORE as the signs?
I have close seats for several shows in a row (Morrison through Vancouver, as well as San Diego) and plan on asking my neighbor (since I'll be busy and holding a sign could cause phasing issues) if they wouldn't mind holding up the legendary "Other Voices" sign. I might even make a few more (FAITH ENCORE signs) and ask random people if they'd help the cause.
We have front row for Atlanta. Maybe that would be a good place to try a sign...
Definitely! A bit late in the tour for us West Coast guys, but great nonetheless. Faith usually sounds better the more it gets played. So why not get Robert ready for what should be a fantastic two nights in NYC?
Why not a HANGING GARDEN sign too? Probably the best-sounding song with this lineup, yet criminally underplayed. :?
And I'll add that unless you're within the first 10 rows, I'm not sure a sign will do much good. It's well-known that Robert's vision is very poor.
So please volunteer if you have really good seats. :smth100
Quote from: lostflower4 on March 28, 2008, 03:20:01
Why not a HANGING GARDEN sign too? Probably the best-sounding song with this lineup, yet criminally underplayed. :?
And I'll add that unless you're within the first 10 rows, I'm not sure a sign will do much good. It's well-known that Robert's vision is very poor.
So please volunteer if you have really good seats. :smth100
Since I REALLY want to see them play The Hanging Garden as well, I do have another side to the OV sign ;) But really I should look into making some sort of three-way thing with Doing The Unstuck being number three. :-D
Heh...I was thinking "Hmm, I'd rather hear Doing The Unstuck than Faith, myself..." just now...that and Bloodflowers, of things recently but rarely played.
Quote from: Plainsong on March 28, 2008, 03:38:04
Heh...I was thinking "Hmm, I'd rather hear Doing The Unstuck than Faith, myself..." just now...that and Bloodflowers, of things recently but rarely played.
Well, everyone is going to have their preferences. But to keep things realistic, I think we should go for songs that they've soundchecked/already played in the last two years.
All the songs mentioned in the past few posts qualify, but I'm just saying that completely obscure stuff like "Burn" might not be accomplish much (although maybe it could give Robert an idea, who knows).
And yes, all signs probably have two sides. ;)
Quote from: lostflower4 on March 28, 2008, 03:43:55
Quote from: Plainsong on March 28, 2008, 03:38:04
Heh...I was thinking "Hmm, I'd rather hear Doing The Unstuck than Faith, myself..." just now...that and Bloodflowers, of things recently but rarely played.
Well, everyone is going to have their preferences. But to keep things realistic, I think we should go for songs that they've soundchecked/already played in the last two years.
All the songs mentioned in the past few posts qualify, but I'm just saying that completely obscure stuff like "Burn" might not be accomplish much (although maybe it could give Robert an idea, who knows).
And yes, all signs probably have two sides. ;)
Yeah, as much as I'd like to bring a Secrets/Give Me It sign, I just don't think it would do the trick.
Can you imagine "Burn" live with this lineup?? Oh wow.
And the double-sided sign is indeed a good idea. Wish I had some artistic talent, though...
Quote from: lostflower4 on March 28, 2008, 03:20:01
Why not a HANGING GARDEN sign too? Probably the best-sounding song with this lineup, yet criminally underplayed. :?
yes!!!!!!!!! a vote from me ... hanging garden please!!!! :smth041
I'll only be at the Santa Barbara show, but I intend to make a PORNOGRAPHY banner. So maybe it's a bit unrealistic, so maybe I'm hurting the cause. But I am the only one who remembers how fantastic the guitar-y 4Play version sounds? I think this lineup could do great things with it.
Other songs I'd die to hear, in order of desire:
1) Burn
2) The Same Deep Water As You [I'm convinced it could be pulled off without keyboards]
3) Faith
4) The Hanging Garden
5) The Figurehead
If they play any of those at the Santa Barbara concert, I'll die happy.
Quote from: lostflower4 on March 28, 2008, 03:20:01
And I'll add that unless you're within the first 10 rows, I'm not sure a sign will do much good. It's well-known that Robert's vision is very poor.
So please volunteer if you have really good seats. :smth100
yes please volunteer for this people ! :!:
about the only thing i regret about the european tour was that we didn't organize this sign thing any better already before the tour and didn't see it done that there would have been
several sings held in severals shows. it would have been really cool and i think it might have even started making some difference (if nothing more then at least that we would have gotten more press coverage ;)).
so let's make this more organized now!
and true about robert's vision - i'm not sure if he can see more than 3 feet away: so people with good seat please do come forward. and better to write short messages with BIG BLOCK letters.
'burn': i seriously couldn't ever imagine them playing it with this line-up. so unfortunately it would be a waste of time to make signs as this (although it's a nice and short 4-letter word). we could concentrate on something that they actually might play, if pushed enough(?).
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 28, 2008, 08:23:44
'burn': i seriously couldn't ever imagine them playing it with this line-up.
With this line-up or any line-up? Because I think this one would do a killer job on that track :rocker
Quote from: Plainsong on March 28, 2008, 03:52:23
Can you imagine "Burn" live with this lineup?? Oh wow.
And the double-sided sign is indeed a good idea. Wish I had some artistic talent, though...
The only that ever came out of Burn was the same notes from the solo again slowed down as "The Loudest Sound"...So if you saw a dream tour show you have seen 30 seconds of Burn every time you saw that song!
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 28, 2008, 14:24:33
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 28, 2008, 08:23:44
'burn': i seriously couldn't ever imagine them playing it with this line-up.
With this line-up or any line-up? Because I think this one would do a killer job on that track :rocker
I agree!! I'd LOVE to see them do Burn live!! I seem to remember reading somewhere they played Burn live once a few years ago? Am I right or did I just imagine that?
You imagined it.
Burn has never been attempted live.
It's one of the great Cure tragedies.
Thanks Bloodflower. 'Tis a bit of tragedy....
Have there been any request signs on display? I'll be bring the Other Voices sign along with me and will most likely fill in the other side with "HANGING GARDEN".
Oooooo....better yet, "BASS VI" :-D I wonder if he's even brought one on tour? Sadly, I think the answer would be no.
Quote from: crowbi_wan on May 12, 2008, 04:27:01
Have there been any request signs on display? I'll be bring the Other Voices sign along with me and will most likely fill in the other side with "HANGING GARDEN".
...crowbi_wan ... if u do.. and they do play Hanging Garden .. ( it is like an itch I can't scratch.. want it soo badly.. hhmm..)
.. I will worship the ground you walk upon.. ( and of course RS..)
Quote from: crowbi_wan on May 12, 2008, 04:27:01
Have there been any request signs on display? I'll be bring the Other Voices sign along with me and will most likely fill in the other side with "HANGING GARDEN".
Oooooo....better yet, "BASS VI" :-D I wonder if he's even brought one on tour? Sadly, I think the answer would be no.
At the Philly Show if you had a sign before you walked into the Spectrum they were confiscated by security. I didn't see a single sign in the place during the show so I doubt anyone snuck one in. Not sure if it was the venues policy or the band but usually you see something at a show. Good Luck getting your's in, I hope you'll be able to with no issues.
Quote from: cure_kitty on May 12, 2008, 20:55:08
Quote from: crowbi_wan on May 12, 2008, 04:27:01
Have there been any request signs on display? I'll be bring the Other Voices sign along with me and will most likely fill in the other side with "HANGING GARDEN".
Oooooo....better yet, "BASS VI" :-D I wonder if he's even brought one on tour? Sadly, I think the answer would be no.
At the Philly Show if you had a sign before you walked into the Spectrum they were confiscated by security. I didn't see a single sign in the place during the show so I doubt anyone snuck one in. Not sure if it was the venues policy or the band but usually you see something at a show. Good Luck getting your's in, I hope you'll be able to with no issues.
I've never had much trouble getting anything (signs, recording gear, cameras, alcohol, drugs)into a show before ;)
It's always the hookers, fire trucks, and horses that I have problems sneaking in :lol:
Quote from: j on May 12, 2008, 23:05:36
It's always the hookers, fire trucks, and horses that I have problems sneaking in :lol:
does this mean what i think it does.. :roll: kinky! :-D
The Hollywood Bowl's website states no signs allowed, yet you can bring your own booze. I would love to make a sign that says "Homesick, All I Want, Piggy in the Mirror, Lament" which should be easily viewed considering I have garden box seats :P , but no worries, I have never been disappointed by them.
Quote from: jbud1980 on May 23, 2008, 05:10:57
The Hollywood Bowl's website states no signs allowed, yet you can bring your own booze.
is that so? what can i say, most things hollywood never made much sense to me anyway... :eek:
Quote from: jbud1980 on May 23, 2008, 05:10:57
I would love to make a sign that says "Homesick, All I Want, Piggy in the Mirror, Lament" which should be easily viewed considering I have garden box seats :P
Easy to see from the Garden Boxes? Robert has pretty poor sight, so that would have to be one
GIANT sign. Maybe you can convince someone in the pool circle to sneak in and hold up a sign for you ;)
Quote from: crowbi_wan on May 23, 2008, 06:21:19
Quote from: jbud1980 on May 23, 2008, 05:10:57
I would love to make a sign that says "Homesick, All I Want, Piggy in the Mirror, Lament" which should be easily viewed considering I have garden box seats :P
Easy to see from the Garden Boxes? Robert has pretty poor sight, so that would have to be one GIANT sign. Maybe you can convince someone in the pool circle to sneak in and hold up a sign for you ;)
My big sign got confiscated at the door in Kansas City. I was really pissed, because I spent about 2 hours making it. I never realized how much work that is, carefully drawing block letters and coloring them in (I'm definitely not an artist).
They told me I could hide it behind the dumpster at the entrance and get it after the show. Well, of course it wasn't there afterwards. :twisted:
Anyway, I had brought a smaller sign just in case this happened — a little bit bigger than a standard piece of typing paper. I was in the 5th row, dead center, and I still didn't feel like I was really close enough to make an impact. Even if I had my big sign, I'm not sure how effective it would have been.
Robert almost never makes eye contact with the audience. He was usually looking down or had his eyes half closed. The same with Simon, looking toward the ground most of the time. Porl made occasional eye contact with the audience, but it was very brief. As for Jason... Well, I don't think he has any input on anything the band does. :lol:
I figured a sign could only have an influence on the encores since the mainsets seem to be set in stone, so my sign said THE KISS on one side and FAITH on the other (my bigger sign said FAITH ENCORE, but there wasn't enough room on the smaller sign to make it visible).
Rumor has it that they were going to play Faith at this show, but they changed/shortened the encores due to Robert's throat problems. :(
But they did play The Kiss in the first encore, which was the first time they've played that song in back-to-back shows in 2008.
Did my little sign have an influence? Maybe... Robert did seem to look right at it once or twice, but I don't know if he actually saw it, or cared.
Anyway, it was worth the effort.
Next time, I guess I'll have to come up with new sign-smuggling tactics. :eek:
If you're located in the center, holding up your sign during Push is a good time. Robert usually walks out in front of his monitors and gazes out into the crowd. During Close To Me he's stage left and WCIBY he's on the right. He might take notice during Never Enough while wandering the stage. Other than that, he's not looking out all that much.
Quote from: electric_glare on March 01, 2008, 07:51:51
Being next to a taper or not, I think it's pretty rude when people are singing during a show. After all, people paid to hear The Cure, not some other people.
But, but, but...(http://www.caseumbau.de/smilies/cu_smilies/cu_no.gif) That's part of the show, singing along with Robert, most definitely. As long as people who know they're not good singers can show enough respect for their neighbours to keep it down a notch, it should be alright. Live recordings with people singing along usually sound more, well, lively to me, it adds a special touch to the performance...
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 28, 2008, 08:23:44
and true about robert's vision - i'm not sure if he can see more than 3 feet away
Yeah, something like that. I've only read about it here:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaystartimes/4144593a26519.html
Quote from: Bloodflower on March 29, 2008, 02:46:46
Burn has never been attempted live.
It's one of the great Cure tragedies.
So it is... :smth088 Does the fact that it was originally written for a movie have anything/everything to do with it?
I found a list of the songs that are supposed to have never been played in full at a concert before, you've probably seen it and it may be incorrect in places, but here we go:
"2 Late, Adonais, Ariel (Peel Session only) Babble, Breathe, Burn, A Chain of Flowers, Cloudberry, Descent, Doubt, + - There has been some "doubt" (hehehe, wooo, ahhh... lemme catch my breath) that this has been played. Unless someone can give me the name of a show where it was, I'm a non-believer. The video clip on "Staring at the Sea" is a dub of the album version. The Dream, + Dredd Song, The Exploding Boy, Fear of Ghosts, A Few Hours After This, A Foolish Arrangement, Halo, Harold and Joe (Jon Ross show only), Hello I Love You (Jon Ross show only), Home, It Used to Be Me, Just One Kiss + (Peel Session only), A Man Inside My Mouth, Mr. Pink Eyes, New Day, Ocean, Off to Sleep, Out of Mind, A Pink Dream, Play, Purple Haze, Scared as You, Snow in Summer, Speak My Language, + Stop Dead, Sugar Girl, The Three Sisters, The Upstairs Room, + This Twilight Garden, To the Sky, Uyea Sound, Waiting, Young Americans [Craig]"
(From http://members.fortunecity.com/jpineres/FAQ.htm)
("This is the most recent FAQ from Descent, a Cure mailing list. Some information may be out of date.")
Waiting, To The Sky, This Twilight Garden, A Man Inside My Mouth, A Chain of Flowers, 2 Late, Ariel, aaawww....
I should bring a Closedown/Homesick/Untitled Sign, or a Treasure/This Is A Lie/39 sign, or even a To The Sky/A Few Hours After This/It Used To Be Me sign if I'm feeling especially adventurous...
With a check mark next to Other Voices, it's time for a new sign. Hmmm...Unstuck? Hanging Garden? Faith (or Faith encore)? Dare I make one Same Deep Water or Watching Me Fall? The bigger the letters the better. So some of the longer titles won't do. Hanging Garden will probably be next on my list with Faith going on the flip side.
Quote from: crowbi_wan on May 23, 2008, 06:21:19
Easy to see from the Garden Boxes? Robert has pretty poor sight, so that would have to be one GIANT sign. Maybe you can convince someone in the pool circle to sneak in and hold up a sign for you ;)
Pool Circle, eh? Wow, perhaps I can snake my way down there once it becomes dark, but then again, you guys do not have a keen little tray to put your drinks on like us garden boxers. :P Would a drink from our cooler convince you?
oh, btw, did you see that they played other voices last night in Utah?
Well ill be back in the garden boxes too, so no sign help from me at the hollywood bowl. Vancouver san jose the shrine and san diego will be my next sign holding opportunities. And yes i saw that other voices was played. I was there. ; )
What a treat to hear that song! I think they have only played Other Voices one other time in 2008, in Switzerland if I am not mistaken. Wow, wish I could travel around the U.S. and see them, but at least I will be seeing them one week from today! :-D
This may sound lame, but I have only seen The Cure four times, and I have yet to hear one of my favorite songs by them, which is fairly popular, Close To Me (I do like the obscure songs more, you saw what songs I would add to my sign). Last night in Utah, they did not play Close To Me, which I believe is the first time the song has not been played in the U.S. (except in Kansas City when one encore was cut due to Robert's illness). I really hope this is not a new trend...