Quote from: Steve on March 23, 2008, 16:45:37
Quote from: [labyrinth] on March 21, 2008, 12:56:52
i really can't understand what's happening with them.
this is really a disappointing setlist, because , as gioez said, there were a lot of "special" things yesterday night.
but "they went away with nothing" more than the same setlist they played over and over again this tour.
... they've never been like this.
so static.
So, just like in 82 then right.
The setlists then were't really that varied TBH.
((With all due respect to people who think the setlists are great))
1982.
Perhaps not night by night.
Were talking years in this case.
Even in 82, the setlists were varied from 81, 80, 79
varied again in 83 onto 84,85,86 and so on.
Okay, so there were other tours, where the setlists weren't varied, sure.
It's happened and that is understandable.
They also did not have the massive back catalog in 1987 in which they do now.
They have no keyboards, but they have proved they can pull off many songs with Porl and backing tapes.
There are really no excuses for playing the same basic setlist for the past 3 years.
And that is something in which they have NEVER done.
A big thing, is that what is going on right now, for three years, that the setlist has been almost the SAME thing.
The same basic mainset, varied ever so slightly.
The same basic encores, varied even less.
I know that it is a very different experience reading the set on paper and seeing it live.
Sure it's still a good time hearing these songs.
I saw them in 05, was at RAH, did Mexico x 3 in 07, and Berlin this year.
Loved every minute of it.
BUT
It's getting stale and old.
People dedicate so much time and money following this band around the world.
Seeing a varied set each night has always been a big thing in making it worthwhile for us to dedicate many months of our life and many thousands of our dollars to do this.
It's to the point now where it dosen't even seem worth it anymore.
I really had hope for 2008 with the varied Mexico setlists that had suprises each night.
Now half the tour has come and gone, they did not play most suprises, took out some great songs (big hand, etc)
And things seem as if they took a step backwards...
It's getting old, alot of people are not happy.
Over and over and over again..............
20.08.2005 Taormina - Teatro Antico (Italy) 'Taormina Arte'more infos
open, fascination street, a strange day, alt.end, the blood, the end of the world, shake dog shake, us or them, a night like this, push, just like heaven, a letter to elise, lullaby, never enough, the figurehead, from the edge of the deep green sea, signal to noise, the baby screams, one hundred years, shiver and shake, end,
E1: at night, m, play for today, a forest,
E2: if only tonight we could sleep, the kiss,
E3: inbetween days, friday i'm in love, boys don't cry,
E4: faith, three imaginary boys, grinding halt, 10:15 saturday night, killing an arab
01.04.2006 London - Royal Albert Hall (England) 'Teenage Cancer Trust Concerts'more infos
open, fascination street, alt.end, the blood, a night like this, the end of the world, play for today, if only tonight we could sleep..., the kiss, shake dog shake, us or them, never enough, signal to noise, the figurehead, a strange day, push, inbetween days, just like heaven, from the edge of the deep green sea, at night, the drowning man, m, the baby screams, one hundred years, shiver and shake, end,
E1: lullaby, hot hot hot!!!, let's go to bed, friday i'm in love, why can't i be you?,
E2: three imaginary boys, fire in cairo, grinding halt, 10:15 saturday night, killing an arab,
E3: boys don't cry, a forest
09.08.2007 Sydney - Sydney Entertainment Centre (Australia/NSW)more infos
open, fascination street, alt.end, a night like this, the walk, the end of the world, lovesong, the big hand, pictures of you, lullaby, catch, hot hot hot, the blood, push, inbetween days, just like heaven, primary, us or them, never enough, from the edge of the deep green sea, a strange day, wrong number, the baby screams, one hundred years, end,
E1: let's go to bed, close to me, why can't i be you?,
E2: at night, m, play for today, a forest,
E3: three imaginary boys, fire in cairo, boys don't cry, jumping someone else's train, grinding halt, 10:15 saturday night, killing an arab
12.03.2008 Paris - Palais Omnisport de Paris Bercy (France)more infos
plainsong, prayers for rain, a strange day, alt.end, the walk, the end of the world, lovesong, to wish impossible things, pictures of you, lullaby, from the edge of the deep green sea, kyoto song, please project, push, how beautiful you are..., friday i'm in love, inbetween days, just like heaven, primary, a boy i never knew, shake dog shake, never enough, wrong number, one hundred years, disintegration,
E1: at night, m, play for today, a forest,
E2: the lovecats, let's go to bed, freak show, close to me, why can't i be you?,
E3: three imaginary boys, fire in cairo, boys don't cry, jumping someone else's train, grinding halt, 10:15 saturday night, killing an arab,
E4: faith
It's really not very different.
Compare any other three year period.
Things do not look the same.
New record or not.
The amount of material this band has written in the past 30 years, does not need a new record to have a greatly varied setlist for the next 20 years.
Sorry.
I have never felt this way in my 16 years as a fan and in my 12 years of following them around the world.
Nor have I ever wanted to or in my strangest nightmares thought I ever would.
Perhaps North America 2008, or 2009 will prove me wrong.
I certainly hope so...
It now all depend on how is new album.
Very important album for the Cure! :!:
I really enjoyed the energy and vibe from the two Euro shows I went to, but was disappointed with such a similar set. Just throwing in a few changes in place of the old standards makes such a huge difference. Robert knows that several fans attend more than one show, so why not appeal to both types of fans? I mean he could keep the same basic structure of the setlist, just rotate To Wish Impossible Things, The Big Hand, and A letter to Elise after Lovesong. Before FTEOTDGS he could throw in Figurehead and then play Hanging Garden during the latter part of the set if he feels like featuring the Porno stuff. If It's a HOTD night, Kyoto Song and Baby Screams (or occasionally The Blood). KMKMKM could work with several variations using How Beautiful You Are, Catch, Torture, Shiver and Shake, as well as the combo of If Only and The kiss (either in the set or as an encore). Of course there's the Faith stuff, too, but I think we'd all love to hear the four songs as an encore. Still, seeing Other Voices or Drowning Man in the main set every now and then would be nice. Doing The Unstuck and Want are two tracks I'd love to see get thrown in the mix as well. Leave out FIIL some nights and play Unstuck. Not sure where Want would fit in, but surely there's a spot for it. I'm not a big fan of Club America, but for variation, why not play it again? Robert just seems to want to be some pop star these days and is having too much fun acting the part. He needs to get it in his head that there's a way to achieve that and still remain true to the other side of The Cure.
Here's five sets, keeping the same basic structure they've been using with enough variation from night to night to please most (I think?). Why couldn't they just do a rotation of something like this?...
open, fascination street, alt.end, the baby screams, a night like this, the end of the world, lovesong, a letter to elise, pictures of you, lullaby, from the edge of the deep green sea, kyoto song, please project, the walk, push, in between days, just like heaven, primary, a boy i never knew, us or them, never enough, wrong number, one hundred years, disintegration,
E1: if only tonight we could sleep, the kiss
E2: let's go to bed, friday I'm in love, freak show, close to me, why can't i be you?,
E3: three imaginary boys, fire in cairo, boys don't cry, jumping someone else's train, grinding halt, 10:15 saturday night, killing an arab,
plainsong, prayers for rain, a strange day, alt.end, the blood, the end of the world, lovesong, the big hand, pictures of you, lullaby, the figurehead, from the edge of the deep green sea, please project, push, in between days, just like heaven, primary, a boy i never knew, shake dog shake, never enough, wrong number, the hanging garden, one hundred years, disintegration,
E1: at night, m, play for today, a forest,
E2: the lovecats, let's go to bed, freak show, close to me, why can't i be you?,
E3: the holy hour, other voices, the drowning man, faith
plainsong, prayers for rain, alt.end, a night like this, the walk, the end of the world, lovesong, pictures of you, lullaby, the drowning man, from the edge of the deep green sea, please project, push, doing the unstuck, in between days, just like heaven, primary, a boy i never knew, if only tonight we could sleep, the kiss, never enough, wrong number, one hundred years, disintegration
E1: three imaginary boys, fire in cairo, boys don't cry, jumping someone else's train, grinding halt, 10:15 saturday night, killing an arab,
E2: let's go to bed, friday i'm in love, freak show, close to me, why can't i be you?,
E3: play for today, a forest
plainsong, prayers for rain, fascination street, alt.end, torture, the end of the world, lovesong, catch, pictures of you, lullaby, from the edge of the deep green sea, maybe someday, hot hot hot, please project, push, just like heaven, primary, a boy i never knew, other voices, want, never enough, wrong number, one hundred years, disintegration
E1: at night, m, play for today, a forest,
E2: friday i'm in love, in between days, freak show, close to me, why can't i be you?,
E3: boys don't cry, jumping someone else's train, grinding halt, 10:15 saturday night, killing an arab
plainsong, prayers for rain, a strange day, alt.end, the walk, the end of the world, lovesong, to wish impossible things, pictures of you, lullaby, from the edge of the deep green sea, friday i'm in love, please project, push, how beautiful you are..., in between days, just like heaven, primary, a boy i never knew, never enough, wrong number, one hundred years, shiver and shake, disintegration,
E1: the lovecats, let's go to bed, freak show, close to me, why can't i be you?,
E2: boys don't cry, jumping someone else's train, grinding halt, 10:15 saturday night, killing an arab,
E3: faith, a forest
A handful of songs this line-up has played didn't even get listed there. There's just way too many possibilities for Robert to keep the same 30 songs in every night and only rotate in and out 5. :?
((With all due respect to people who think the setlists are great))
Over and over and over again..............
12.03.2008 Paris - Palais Omnisport de Paris Bercy (France)more infos
plainsong, prayers for rain, a strange day, alt.end, the walk, the end of the world, lovesong, to wish impossible things, pictures of you, lullaby, from the edge of the deep green sea, kyoto song, please project, push, how beautiful you are..., friday i'm in love, inbetween days, just like heaven, primary, a boy i never knew, shake dog shake, never enough, wrong number, one hundred years, disintegration,
E1: at night, m, play for today, a forest,
E2: the lovecats, let's go to bed, freak show, close to me, why can't i be you?,
E3: three imaginary boys, fire in cairo, boys don't cry, jumping someone else's train, grinding halt, 10:15 saturday night, killing an arab,
E4: faith
It's really not very different.
The setlists in Europe 2008 were mostly identical and that they didn't introduce any more new song or bring back more rare songs was disappointing.
But i feel the setlists were better than 2005, while 2006 only had one show, and this tour is basically a continuation of the 2007 tour.
Maybe Paris is not a good example because it probably had the best setlist
and they did perform The Walk, Lovecats, Close to Me, To Wish Impossible Things, How Beautiful you Are, Prayers for Rain, Freak Show, Please Project, A Boy I Never Knew, Wrong Number, Kyoto Song, Jumping Someone else's train which were not played in 2005/06 as well as Plainsong/Disintegration which was only performed once in 05....
Saw today the figure of the songs of this tour.
58 songs played over 22 dates.
Dug out my notes from Mexico 07.
69 songs played over 3 dates.
And mind you, it was 6 months ago, that 11 more songs were played...
:smth100
But these were 3 special nights. They wanted to make it even more special.
Bear in mind, that Depeche Mode for instance, have even lower song rotation rate...
I really don't think that the setlist is the most important. The atmosphere of conceert is important also, and during 5 gigs I attended it was great...
Quote from: nevyn on March 25, 2008, 11:38:57
Bear in mind, that Depeche Mode for instance, have even lower song rotation rate...
a good point.
there are so many other bands (and even good bands!) that do max 90 minnute shows and almost always (and i mean always) play the exact same set in concert of the tour.
a practical tip: if you're so very much bothered about setlists being too much alike, then maybe go see only one or two shows. don't even plan going to see any more, if you're already so annoyed by this setlist detail in advance. and that way you might end up seeing one really good show and being able to really enjoy it.
i think the "setlist problem" only really affects fans that are going to see like 5-10 shows or even more - then the possibility that it might start to bother you that you hear the same songs over and over again BUT maybe then you have to blame it on yourself too. after all, who told you to go see so many shows? nobody did. because whatever we might want for ourselves (i for instance would have wanted 'other voices' and 'a short term effect' and a couple of other things - i didn't go there to listen to 'just like heaven' in rotation), we still have to remember that most concert-goers still do go to see only one show anyway. die-hard fans like many of us here are still a minority there, i'm afraid - so if our voice doesn't always get heard, it doesn't need to be something outrageous. and so whatever "10+ members" might think, the band does have to consider those people too. otherwise there would be a lot more people complaining that they didn't play and they didn't play that than there are now. maybe robert &co. doen't think "oh i really need to change this setlist more often because all these crazy die-hard people are going to follow me and see 12 shows in a row, i really need to think of them" when they design the setlists - and we can't really accuse them for anything if they don't.
so considering all this, the fact that setlists aren't extremely imaginative does not mean the band is dead or bored or something like it. maybe it's the fan(s) who might be (bored or in crisis), but imo one really blame it on the band or jump into conclusions that there was some kind of a major crisis going on there with the band or that it necessarily was some kind of a sign of things going downhill etc.
Like I said above...
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 23, 2008, 22:08:25
Just throwing in a few changes in place of the old standards makes such a huge difference.
I'm not requesting some huge change, just mixing up the rotation a bit more is all I ask.
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 25, 2008, 20:33:10
a practical tip: if you're so very much bothered about setlists being too much alike, then maybe go see only one or two shows. don't even plan going to see any more, if you're already so annoyed by this setlist detail in advance.
But then one might not get to see the songs they'd like. If you only go to one or two shows the chance of hearing this kiss, the baby screams, the holy hour, other voices, faith, the big hand, the figurehead, forever, the hanging garden, doing the unstuck, torture, and other rarely played songs is pretty unlikely. I'd consider myself VERY lucky if the one show I selected had all of those songs on the setlist.
Look, I'll enjoy the shows I'll be seeing regardless of the setlist. Some will be better than others and not just for the setlist. I just wish Robert would leave off a few songs that make it on every night and put in a few that don't, that's all.
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 23, 2008, 22:08:25
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 25, 2008, 20:33:10
a practical tip: if you're so very much bothered about setlists being too much alike, then maybe go see only one or two shows. don't even plan going to see any more, if you're already so annoyed by this setlist detail in advance.
But then one might not get to see the songs they'd like. If you only go to one or two shows the chance of hearing this kiss, the baby screams, the holy hour, other voices, faith, the big hand, the figurehead, forever, the hanging garden, doing the unstuck, torture, and other rarely played songs is pretty unlikely.
yes of course it is, i'm well aware of that. but what i meant was that the options are these:
either you go to a lot of shows (for instance hoping to hear all those songs you mentioned) BUT then you WILL get a lot of repetition too - and you shoulnd't complain about it too much because you really should have known it in advance(!).
or you go to one or maybe two shows and since that/those will the only time you get to hear them you'll also be more likely to be able to enjoy even the common songs more (since you don't get hammered by repetition).
so it's your own choice.
but i think it's maybe a bit too idealistic to think that there's an option number three there too: which would be that you could go to 20 shows and every show had a miraculously different and wonderful setlist - but i guess we don't live in this dream world.
BUT it's also not the band's fault, if we don't.
so i just meant that sometimes when reading the comments here i get a feeling that people who go to a lot of shows also expect to hear a different setlist every time - and if they don't, they think it was somehow "unfair". or even say the shows cannot be interesting because the setlists aren't different every time. i have to disagree about this. it's not somehow unfair - because maybe bob probably didn't think of YOU and especially and only YOU when he designed the setlists, but so what? he has other things to think about than that.
i just mean there's nothing tragic in this, there's nothing that would hint that the band is in crisis and there's actually nothing totally wrong with it either.
I could only attend the Wembley show, but i certainly wasnt disapointed as this is the first time ive heard this set. In all honesty i found the worst thing to do was check the setlists of the other shows, thats the thing that kills it. Its knowing they'll do Lullaby after Pictures..... Disintegration after 100 years and so on.
When i first saw them 4 years ago i had no idea what they'd play... hell, i even got excited when they pulled Fascination Street out of the bag ;)....
So really, none of these shows are boring, rubbish, predictable, whatever, the fact is the internet has allowed us to become spoilt, we get the setlist (and simons hair colour!) in real time, then a day later the show is up for download. Thats a truly astonishing and amazing thing, i cant complain about that, but with these massive benefits comes the other side..... which is knowing the setlists, arrangements, every little detail.
Ultimately, to get more surprises one needs to ignore everything else leading up to it, or something like that ;)
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 25, 2008, 21:19:58
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 23, 2008, 22:08:25
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 25, 2008, 20:33:10
a practical tip: if you're so very much bothered about setlists being too much alike, then maybe go see only one or two shows. don't even plan going to see any more, if you're already so annoyed by this setlist detail in advance.
But then one might not get to see the songs they'd like. If you only go to one or two shows the chance of hearing this kiss, the baby screams, the holy hour, other voices, faith, the big hand, the figurehead, forever, the hanging garden, doing the unstuck, torture, and other rarely played songs is pretty unlikely.
yes of course it is, I'm well aware of that. but what i meant was that the options are these:
either you go to a lot of shows (for instance hoping to hear all those songs you mentioned) BUT then you WILL get a lot of repetition too - and you shouldn't complain about it too much because you really should have known it in advance(!).
or you go to one or maybe two shows and since that/those will the only time you get to hear them you'll also be more likely to be able to enjoy even the common songs more (since you don't get hammered by repetition).
so it's your own choice.
but i think it's maybe a bit too idealistic to think that there's an option number three there too: which would be that you could go to 20 shows and every show had a miraculously different and wonderful setlist - but i guess we don't live in this dream world.
BUT it's also not the band's fault, if we don't.
so i just meant that sometimes when reading the comments here i get a feeling that people who go to a lot of shows also expect to hear a different setlist every time - and if they don't, they think it was somehow "unfair". or even say the shows cannot be interesting because the setlists aren't different every time. i have to disagree about this. it's not somehow unfair - because maybe bob probably didn't think of YOU and especially and only YOU when he designed the setlists, but so what? he has other things to think about than that.
i just mean there's nothing tragic in this, there's nothing that would hint that the band is in crisis and there's actually nothing totally wrong with it either.
Hey, I have no problem with repetition and of course I expect quite a lot of it. They've always had an outline with some interchangeable songs. It's totally impractical to think there will be some drastic change in the setlists from night to night. Minor changes do make the world of difference, at least for me. It's those interchangeable songs that are becoming not so interchangeable that bother me.
And yeah, Robert should think of the fans that follow the band around (like me and YOU). He's well aware that several people do this, and in the past has made note of request signs from fans that keep popping up at shows. Now he just smiles at those holding signs for some dark song that we know they've rehearsed and all we get to do is read about it in the paper the next day. But hey, maybe they'll play that one song 12 shows later at a gig you're not at.
Perhaps expectations were too high after the three Mexico shows. The band played a shitload of songs over three nights! But hey, I doubt everyone that was at the first one went to the second and third. Surely there were fans disappointed that they chose the wrong night(s). Of course some did and walked away from those three nights in Cure heaven. I don't think it's too much to expect to hear some variety in the concerts that are back-to-back-to-back (just like in Mexico). But then, maybe it is? All I'm trying to get at is that if you went to three shows in a row, you should get some different song selection, not To Wish, Kyoto, Friday, The Walk, Lovecats, and others every f*cking night night.
Quote from: strange_day on March 25, 2008, 21:40:50
Disintegration after 100 years
But they do Shiver and Shake after 100 years from time to time. Not enough, imo. And that's one of those little changes that I think is huge.
Quote from: strange_day on March 25, 2008, 21:40:50
the fact is the internet has allowed us to become spoilt, we get the setlist (and simons hair colour!) in real time, then a day later the show is up for download. Thats a truly astonishing and amazing thing, i cant complain about that, but with these massive benefits comes the other side..... which is knowing the setlists, arrangements, every little detail.
exactly. we already get so much today that we just want more and more.
back in the time before web-based real-time updates for just about anything and everything there were surprises everywhere, all the time: you had no ways of checking the set lists unless you went to the concerts or traded for some tapes and listened to those at home and wrote down the set lists youself. back then the setlists were full of surprises - you never knew what was going to be played next!
i don't want to make it sound like those were "the good old days". a lot of things then were/must have been really tedious and frustrating for a lot of fans. all the difficulties of finding information... especially if you lived a bit away from some musical nerve certers of the world. but everything is so easy today that we easily feel like the band wasn't pleasing us enough, that we somehow "deserve" more than that...
i guess it's because we're so much wanting for all those surprises today too. we really yearn them sometimes... and there's nothing bad with that.
i'm sure the surprises are still there to be found - but maybe the setlists aren't the place to look for them today.
PS. i took the liberty of splitting the london thread since the last batch of posts didn't actually concern the london show but the tour/recent years in general.
so here's place to discuss things in general.
european leg of 4Tour 2008 is over:
how did you experience it? how did the shows compare with past shows, with each other?
what affected you the most and what left you cold? a word for those going on the US tour?
anything, really!
(and please do bash the setlists if you feel like it, but hopefully we can talk about something else too. ;))
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 25, 2008, 22:05:31
(and please do bash the setlists if you feel like it, but hopefully we can talk about something else too. ;))
I've bashed the setlists enough ;)
Maybe I'm coming off as someone who didn't enjoy the shows. That's certainly untrue! Please look at the first sentence in my initial post on this thread. I had a wonderful time in Europe and finally lived out a 15 year long dream of seeing The Cure in Paris. For someone coming from the states, where fans don't really interact with the band, seeing The Cure in Europe was a real treat. As much as I enjoy listening to a tape, that just doesn't cut it. There were moments at both shows that gave me chills and had I not been taping I surely would have been screaming and dancing right along with the all the others. Sure, I would have liked (and was expecting) a bit more variety between the two shows, but that doesn't mean I didn't love every minute of them. In fact, I'm already saving my pennies so I can do it all over again :-D
The point is that it has been YEARS of repetition, not night after night, year after year in this case.
just wanted to add that i really don't mind people bashing, just as long as they have something on which to base their thoughts (as many here indeed has had).
and i just realized that saying all that about "fans wanting too much" and thinking like they "deserve more": i must have been the famous old undemanding fan there. :?
so please ignore what i said... :lol:
@sullen: i guess that's all simply because there has been no new album so far. so that repetition should change when the album comes out - at least i can't imagine they'd still keep playing the same set then(!).
i guess the cure could have just as well decided to stay away from playing live gigs altogether ever since 2004. there are lots of bands who'd do this and who only do live gigs/tour right after they release an album, then disappear from the live scene even for several years.
that's not to explain altogether why there was no more variation in the set lists though. yet this time there wasn't and so i think the only thing we can do is to wait for the album then(?). imo it would be different if we knew that there was not going to be any new cure albums anymore and these were more or less like the last shows we were ever going to get. then i would have been alarmed that they got stuck into this material for so long.
at least now there's much more hope that it'll still change. at least i am still optimistic about it.
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 25, 2008, 22:36:38
@sullen: i guess that's all simply because there has been no new album so far. so that repetition should change when the album comes out - at least i can't imagine they'd still keep playing the same set then(!).
I wish this were the only reason, but we never had this type of repetition on the off years before (90-91) (97-98-99) (01-02-03) for examples....
Quote from: sullen on March 25, 2008, 22:45:37
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 25, 2008, 22:36:38
@sullen: i guess that's all simply because there has been no new album so far. so that repetition should change when the album comes out - at least i can't imagine they'd still keep playing the same set then(!).
I wish this were the only reason, but we never had this type of repetition on the off years before (90-91) (97-98-99) (01-02-03) for examples....
i wonder if the fact that this is actually the first time they are really touring more or less full scale BUT don't have an album out could make any difference(?). maybe more about that later...
anyway, some thoughts:
05 + 06 (only one gig) - it wasn't the repetition of anything yet since it wasn't repetition of '04 anyway.
07 - i really don't think this was such a completely boring year as has been stated; because mexico shows did have interesting setlists (at least to me). the asian shows: imo one has to remember that it was the first time ever that they played there - so at least i didn't expect them to go and play 'splintered in her head' or something. so maybe you can blame the locations there for the song choices, not the band(?).
08 - ok maybe it starts to look like repetition by this time, by some standards (=standards which look into the setlists and rate them as such higher than the quality of the performances itself).
but they didn't have the album out - whatever that means... (if anything - need to think about this...).
anyway at least it doesn't mean the past few years before 08 suddenly had to turn all sour just because so far 08 didn't bring anything hugely new and sensational.
maybe only 08 was to blame there? and then it could be the fact that the album didn't come out as planned.
maybe this is pure specualtion but if i had to choose from
1) they would have cancelled the european tour too, because the album was delayed again
2) they would play the shows but would have nothing much new to offer
at least i would have chosen option 2 there, any time.
look, i'm not trying to find whatever excuses i can just trying to prove they didn't have certain repetition there. anyway the fact that this time they had album in the works but had all kinds of delays with it which possible had quite a lot of effect on things not going quite as planned. they didn't have albums in the works on those previous off years which you mentioned so that might make some difference and might not make the comparisons quite as justified.
and moreover i still think that looking into the setlists alone doesn't really say much about the current state of the band. it simply doesn't say whether they played good or bad shows and thus it alone cannot imply they were somehow finished or in crisis.
imo one needs to see them live before deciding on that.
I have come to accept the tour is what it is at this point, and it will not change even in America. Somewhere on here I read some fans had talked to Porl, and he basically let it spill they will hit the road again when this album project ever gets finished. Knowing they will already hit the road again for the forthcoming album, they have little incentive to do anything for this US tour. The Cure don't rehearse much, in many senses they don't need to. But they are not going to gear up in a rehearsal studio for 3 days to learn new songs are re-arrange old songs not played in a bit before this US tour because Robert is going to continue to micro-manage the new album. They will wake up May7th, get on a plane to America, and just fire up the engine again and play the Europe show in America on May 9th.
I think it was clear back in late September or early they did take a week probably and rehearse quite hard to bang out those 80 songs for Mexico (I guess of which 70 were played). But I think there still just riding that week of work out and will until they have a new set determined by the new songs. If they added one I would like to see Please come home start the show, it was a little rough in its early versions but that could be a great opener if they cleaned up the guitar part a bit.
So my best guess: Were going to get the final leg of the 4World tour and it looks like europe just did, pretty much in every city. You get your token version of Faith at Radio City Music Hall or at some Random Moody location where Roberts had a crappy day. Doesn't even Robert say something before the Paris Faith that eludes to the fact the band doesn't want to play it but he does so here it is. Then we get a couple months off, an album in July and promo stuff in July or so followed by some more touring, (maybe smaller venues in US finally). They will have to have a small tight tour after the record where the set is rebuilt with the new stuff, and they can do it all in 90 days (US and Europe) to keep it relevant with the release of the album
It is what it is
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 25, 2008, 21:48:36
And yeah, Robert should think of the fans that follow the band around (like me and YOU). He's well aware that several people do this, and in the past has made note of request signs from fans that keep popping up at shows. Now he just smiles at those holding signs for some dark song that we know they've rehearsed and all we get to do is read about it in the paper the next day. But hey, maybe they'll play that one song 12 shows later at a gig you're not at.
(ok i post too much on this thread but just a comment on this as it was a comment for me)
actually i'm not entirely sure i agree (about robert having to think of fans that follow him around). i'm almost tempted to say that no he doesn't have to give a shit about it.
i've always had a pretty mixed feelings about this issue, every time when i read people talking about it. because i've always thought that an artist (whoever he/she is) is never there to serve somebody but only to create his/her art. thus there is no 'must' for him/her to fulfill in people's requests or please the fans. well of course an artist who doesn't pay ANY attention to the fans and their requests can take a bit of a risk there and it might mean he'd lose a few fans down the round or end up getting everyone pissed - but regardless of this i still think an artist must do what he feels like he/she needs to do and in the end nobody can say anything about it. because even though an artist is a very public figure, he's not a trained animal or something that will perform tricks to you and sit or jump or roll when you tell him to. he really doesn't have to care - and that doesn't mean he was cold or ignorant towards you. it's simply his/her right.
so when i am there holding a request sign and he decides but to smile at it, i don't mind. ok it was my request and i surely would have wished it to come true - but at the same time i can't expect him to grant me any sort of wish or at least be mad or disappointed if he ognored me. he has the right to do so.
(and btw this has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of worshipping attitude i might have for him - absolutely not. i don't think everything he says or does is awesome or great or even decent and i can diagree about his artistic choices and all kinds of stuff. i have a right to bash him or judge him (because he's made himself a public figure out of his own will), but what comes to me telling him what to do or me insisting that he should please me in some way: i have no rights in that territory. and this has nothing at all to do with my possible admiration of him. it's not that i'd say so out of respect towards him. it's simply his right as an artist, to claim that certain territory solely for himself.)
maybe i think like this because i have a background as a musician myself. i've spent years as a performing musician and i guess i've naturally come to think about these things quite a lot. i always think that it's of utmost importance to any artist to always RESPECT your audience - you can't ask for any respect back if you don't respect the audience first. but this is NOT the same as starting to act according to your audiences will - these are two completely different things imo. the artist really does not have to care about the latter one, if it really gets down to it. actually, most of all i respect artists who manage to remain completely respectful towards their fans but also never to give in to pleasing them, in this way or another. this is a tricky balance and i tip my hat for those who manage it. i respect that because it's a sign of an artist who knows what he/she's doing and what he/she wants, who shows he/she is not to be distracted from what he/she does. because any serious artists really can't start running around spending too much time on trying to figure out what people might want then to do: that would be a complete waste of time for them in the end.
Quote from: sullen on March 25, 2008, 00:51:25
Saw today the figure of the songs of this tour.
58 songs played over 22 dates.
Dug out my notes from Mexico 07.
69 songs played over 3 dates.
And mind you, it was 6 months ago, that 11 more songs were played...
:smth100
:shock: Wow!! I attended 2 of the shows in Mexico and now I can see how lucky we were...!!! :smth023
Thanks Sullen for the info.
P.S. Viva La Cura!!! ;)
I counted 61 songs being played in Europe (without those only played at the soundchecks - Holy Hour, Doing The Unstuck, Last Day Of Summer...).
When you play in front of 17,000 people and see somebody holding a sign requesting a song, who would you prefer to please ? The whole audience or just a particular person ? It's difficult to know. The band pays a lot of attention to the audience reaction to certain songs and decides then if they could try a rare song or not. I was surprised that lots of people never saw the band live before, I think there's really a new audience these days in addition to the old fans. In that position, the band was right to play their most famous songs with a few atmospheric ones (To Wish Impossible Things, At Night...). I thought the whole worked well actually.
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 25, 2008, 20:33:10
i think the "setlist problem" only really affects fans that are going to see like 5-10 shows or even more - then the possibility that it might start to bother you that you hear the same songs over and over again
I have to agree on this with our baby. The "setlist thing" is something that probably affects people who saw/see too many Cure concerts, but certanly not to people who saw them a few times, or who never saw them at all.
Take as reference people in Asia (where The Cure actually just played for the first time... Japan 1984 was too long ago so...) or Australia (where they dont play that often). And not even mention Southamerica, where they played just once in Argentina and Brazil in 1987 and then just in Brazil in 1996. I mean, people who never saw The Cure or who saw them few times would be grateful with ANY setlist they choose to play.
What others said here is also truth: some bands dont bother to change absolutely anything of their setlist while touring. For instance, last year I saw three bands in Peru that played an identical setlist during their whole world tour: Roger Waters, Bjork and Soda Stereo (an argentinian band). I actually knew when they would even do the band introduction :) I knew what song was coming next, etc. Yet, the concerts were pretty good and I dint complain why they played identical sets each night, so why I should complain with my favourite band?
I dont know whats all this about complaining for playing the "same" setlist. As japanesebaby said in another post, some bands just play after releasing a new album (Depeche Mode, U2 for example). Is that what we want just so that we listen a new setlist? To sit for four or five long years?
In the end, Robert has the final word. And it was written somewhere, he is the artist -not me-. So wathever he wants to perform, I am really fine with it.
I still say RS should find a way to please all of his fans (those that go to many shows and those that go to one). He's done it in the past and should be aware the expectation is there. Look, there's no reason why they can't make some little changes between neighboring cities. I'm not saying the Drowning Man, The Kiss, and Hanging Garden should be played every night, but they should certainly play them more than they did (at least every fifth show). Even some of the lighter stuff should get played more. What the hell happened to Doing The Unstuck? It sounded fine in Mexico and the Prague soundcheck. I just think he has it in his mind to be some pop superstar again and loves hearing teenage girls scream his name when he dances around like an idiot. So the pop stuff remains a constant every night regardless of how shitty some of those songs sound without keyboards.
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 26, 2008, 15:44:10
I just think he has it in his mind to be some pop superstar again and loves hearing teenage girls scream his name when he dances around like an idiot. So the pop stuff remains a constant every night regardless of how shitty some of those songs sound without keyboards.
I haven't said anything until now about this subject because I only went to see one concert and I can't relate to the frustration of those who go to a lot of shows hoping for more variety and end up being disappointed... So even though from my point of view there was a bit too much complaining, especially when you think of how many bands don't vary the setlists at all, I kept my mouth shut.
But this judgement goes beyond the variety issue and it seems a bit harsh to me, crowbi wan... It's normal and to be expected that they (or any band) should play their most popular songs at concerts -- that's what most people are there for. And they didn't just play the light poppy radio-friendly stuff, they also played songs that had a lot people near me looking around with "What's this?" looks on their faces while I was squealing like an idiot. I thought there was a good balance between the two, enough to satisfy both kinds of fans.
I don't mean to come off as one of those "don't you touch my Robert or I'll kick your butt" fans, you're most certainly entitled to state your impression -- it just doesn't really ring true to me.
Quote from: robiola on March 26, 2008, 20:54:05
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 26, 2008, 15:44:10
I just think he has it in his mind to be some pop superstar again and loves hearing teenage girls scream his name when he dances around like an idiot. So the pop stuff remains a constant every night regardless of how shitty some of those songs sound without keyboards.
It's normal and to be expected that they (or any band) should play their most popular songs at concerts -- that's what most people are there for.
I don't think it's normal or expected for The Cure to play their most popular songs (at least not on back-to-back-to back nights) because they generally haven't. If anything it's expected for them to mix it up more, because they are/were one of the few bands that do this. Maybe I'm being a bit harsh, but it's just how I feel. Again, all this does not mean I didn't enjoy the shows or have any hesitation about the US tour. Certainly not. I'm very much looking forward to seeing them multiple times and know I'll enjoy each concert regardless of the songs Robert selects. There is more to the shows than just the songs the play.
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 26, 2008, 15:44:10
I still say RS should find a way to please all of his fans (those that go to many shows and those that go to one). He's done it in the past and should be aware the expectation is there. Look, there's no reason why they can't make some little changes between neighboring cities. I'm not saying the Drowning Man, The Kiss, and Hanging Garden should be played every night, but they should certainly play them more than they did (at least every fifth show). Even some of the lighter stuff should get played more. What the hell happened to Doing The Unstuck? It sounded fine in Mexico and the Prague soundcheck. I just think he has it in his mind to be some pop superstar again and loves hearing teenage girls scream his name when he dances around like an idiot. So the pop stuff remains a constant every night regardless of how shitty some of those songs sound without keyboards.
I think you hit this 100% with this comment.
And he knows damn well that *ALOT* of his fans are of the diehard/tour following breed.
Quote from: sullen on March 27, 2008, 00:03:03
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 26, 2008, 15:44:10
I still say RS should find a way to please all of his fans (those that go to many shows and those that go to one). He's done it in the past and should be aware the expectation is there. Look, there's no reason why they can't make some little changes between neighboring cities. I'm not saying the Drowning Man, The Kiss, and Hanging Garden should be played every night, but they should certainly play them more than they did (at least every fifth show). Even some of the lighter stuff should get played more. What the hell happened to Doing The Unstuck? It sounded fine in Mexico and the Prague soundcheck. I just think he has it in his mind to be some pop superstar again and loves hearing teenage girls scream his name when he dances around like an idiot. So the pop stuff remains a constant every night regardless of how shitty some of those songs sound without keyboards.
I think you hit this 100% with this comment.
And he knows damn well that *ALOT* of his fans are of the diehard/tour following breed.
What percentage of the fans at the concerts are actually following them from city to city? I would guess quite little.
Quote from: sullen on March 27, 2008, 00:03:03
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 26, 2008, 15:44:10
I still say RS should find a way to please all of his fans (those that go to many shows and those that go to one). He's done it in the past and should be aware the expectation is there. Look, there's no reason why they can't make some little changes between neighboring cities. I'm not saying the Drowning Man, The Kiss, and Hanging Garden should be played every night, but they should certainly play them more than they did (at least every fifth show). Even some of the lighter stuff should get played more. What the hell happened to Doing The Unstuck? It sounded fine in Mexico and the Prague soundcheck. I just think he has it in his mind to be some pop superstar again and loves hearing teenage girls scream his name when he dances around like an idiot. So the pop stuff remains a constant every night regardless of how shitty some of those songs sound without keyboards.
I think you hit this 100% with this comment.
And he knows damn well that *ALOT* of his fans are of the diehard/tour following breed.
well, i never said he
wouldn't know a lot of fans follow him. of course he knows and knows it very well. but it's not about knowing or not knowing: even if/when he knows, he can still decide to prefer those fans that are casual concert-goers/people who only go to one show AND there's still nothing absolutely wrong with it. the truth is that it's simply impossible to please everyone: the audience does NOT consist on die-hard fans only, so he has o consider other people too. so i myself cannot think like he was "betraying his fans" or "letting his fans down" by doing this: maybe he is letting ME down but 'me' is not the same as 'all the fans'. i'm not the model of every concert-goer there so why should my opinion count any more than someone else's?
think of it this way: the idea that he should "of course" decide please die-hard fans instead of a regular concert-goer actually derives from the way of thinking where a die-hard fan is more "valuable customer" than a regular concert-goer. well, maybe a die-hard fan spent more time and money and effort on the band over the years, true. BUT can we still think that he's a "better fan" than someone else who oly decides to go to one single concert every now and then?
what i'm trying to say is that if we think he somehow naturally "should" prefer die-hard fans, then we actually silently do think that they are more valuable fans than the rest of the folk there.
and i'm not sure that's true. we can't rate the audience.
and: the problem for the artist is that even if he wanted to please people as much as he can, he already
knows that he can't please everyone. so he must make a choice. and if he chooses in favor of the majority, how can we judge him for it? if he'd choose in favor for his die-hard fans i'm sure he would choose the smaller half of the audience. then there would be a lot more people complaining. and is he'd then say "yeah but i wanted to favor the people who follow me around and really invest their time and money on me", then it would be easy for everyone to shout: "boo! that's elitistic!"
so i'm not sure it's necessarily an easy choice.
look, i perfectly well understand everything you've said (sullen & crowbi) so i'm not arguing or speaking in favor of the poppy set lists. i'm just talking about the big picture. even though i understand fans being displeased (and i do understand because i've been displeased myself too!), i still think that in the end it's pretty selfish from fans to think that the artist somehow "must" personally please them and them only. if we talk about pleasing someone, then he really doesn't have to please anyone else than himself there - THAT's how selfish it really is, from the artists' point of view. and yes it sounds bad when put that way but i do think that deep down it's actually true. the artist decides what he wants to do and even if i'm displeased with it, i don't think i can say he did something "wrong" there.
(that is not to saying i wouldn't like him to play set lists that are aimed at die-hard fans - i certainly would. but imo, what i want is not relevant, really.)
@carycameron: indeed, would be interesting to see numbers but i think the percentage is definitely not in favor of die-hard fans there. so i wouldn't bet my money on myself here!
Quote from: carycameron on March 27, 2008, 03:01:24
What percentage of the fans at the concerts are actually following them from city to city? I would guess quite little.
Less than 1% I would say.
you know for a really really long time i had a dream that the band would one day again play 'jumping someon else's train', if only for once and even if i couldn't be there to hear it.
i really didn't know if this was nothing but a fool's hope - and then suddenly their started playing it. :eek:
and now, i just recently went to six concerts and i got to hear 'jumping' six times. :rocker
one of the many especially memorable moments from this tour is the opening night in stockholm when this song started: that was grrrrreat! (even though they had to screw up it a bit that night - simon... :smth011 ;) but i forgive them because they did play it "for me" five times in the concerts to come).
with that said, i do very well understand people who still keep waiting and waiting for their own favorite songs being played and are getting frustrated about it over time. i guess i got really lucky there with my wish. maybe it explains why i can't say i'm thoroughly disappointed myself.
so let's still hope more gems surface on the US leg and more wishes do come true. after all, you never know.
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 27, 2008, 11:03:17
so let's still hope more gems surface on the US leg and more wishes do come true. after all, you never know.
"However, we want to remodel/rework the live show for North America, change things around, incorporate new songs... and we need time and focus to do this."
That was what Robert wrote when he decided to postpone the Canada/US tour. He made no such promise for the European tour. So there's hope for some 'gems'.
Quote from: carycameron on March 28, 2008, 04:06:53
"However, we want to remodel/rework the live show for North America, change things around, incorporate new songs… and we need time and focus to do this."
That was what Robert wrote when he decided to postpone the Canada/US tour. He made no such promise for the European tour. So there's hope for some 'gems'.
Oh just rub it in why don't you...
Anyhow, thanks for that quote. Shows he's making an effort...although that info someone posted earlier about them having played 58 songs over 22 dates this YEAR, while they played 69 songs over 3 dates in MEXICO, is quite unsettling to hear. Perhaps they ARE playing it safe a bit, feeding their egos by going for songs that are more likely to make people scream, dance and jump around, as opposed to the likes of All Cats are Grey...Shame, since they have such a mighty impressive collection of gems to play around with. Perhaps Robert could start having more high profile events like the one with Ray Cokes and the secret show in Sydney(?), when just a couple of hundred people, mostly the die-hard Cure fans who have their ears perked up, hear about it and get to attend...Anyhow, there's not much you can do about this setlist business, but to have faith in them, and pray for rain *hint hint*...
By the way, I just can't leave without saying that Robert does NOT dance like an idiot, unless of course that was meant as a compliment...
Quote from: Poe on March 31, 2008, 22:49:40
By the way, I just can't leave without saying that Robert does NOT dance like an idiot, unless of course that was meant as a compliment...
Of course. You are aware that he's referred to the pop stuff (mostly the pop encore) as "idiot pop".
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 31, 2008, 22:57:54
Of course. You are aware that he's referred to the pop stuff (mostly the pop encore) as "idiot pop".
So I am (idiot pop and stupid pop videos being his way of making fun of his image, the commercial music scene and the media?), but he does it so darn well I can't be bothered. But the idiot dancing comes from the heart, doesn't just happen during idiot pop songs...
Quote from: carycameron on March 28, 2008, 04:06:53
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 27, 2008, 11:03:17
so let's still hope more gems surface on the US leg and more wishes do come true. after all, you never know.
"However, we want to remodel/rework the live show for North America, change things around, incorporate new songs… and we need time and focus to do this."
That was what Robert wrote when he decided to postpone the Canada/US tour. He made no such promise for the European tour. So there's hope for some 'gems'.
thanks for the quote, i had forgotten about that. and true, he made no such promise for the european tour but thinking about it now, it's understandable that this might have given enough reason for people to assume this "change things around" attitude kind of "should" have applied the euro tour too. i guess it depends how one interpreted it.
I kind of thought it applied to both, but we'll see....... No matter. I'll be happy.
If the posting on Chain of Flowers today is true, it looks like there will indeed be changes. It indicates 6 new songs will be played, less pop, and some surprises. :D :)
Quote from: carycameron on April 02, 2008, 03:13:50
If the posting on Chain of Flowers today is true, it looks like there will indeed be changes. It indicates 6 new songs will be played, less pop, and some surprises. :D :)
too bad it isn't true though.....I'm assuming this is an April Fool's joke
Quote from: carycameron on April 02, 2008, 03:13:50
If the posting on Chain of Flowers today is true, it looks like there will indeed be changes. It indicates 6 new songs will be played, less pop, and some surprises. :D :)
maybe because the American Tour was postponed, causing so much angst amongst fans, Robert is saving any new songs etc. for them, you know, to try and make it up to them?
Just a thought.
I think it's pretty rude saying things about Robert dancing around lapping up the screams of teenage girls. They aint just teenagers, I can tell you!!
I know a few guys in the same age range who would just LOVE to be screamed at ( in a positive way!) by younger women... if ya got it, flaunt it!!
Quote from: melly on April 02, 2008, 09:59:58
I think it's pretty rude saying things about Robert dancing around lapping up the screams of teenage girls. They aint just teenagers, I can tell you!!
I know a few guys in the same age range who would just LOVE to be screamed at ( in a positive way!) by younger women... if ya got it, flaunt it!!
well, i don't know but i have a recollection from the berlin gig which makes me a bit bitter about this subject: there was this utterly hysterical IDIOT teenager a little bit on my left and during the pop encore, when robert walked to the edge of the stage, she went just absolutely hysterical, screaming like a fire alarm, almost falling and almost rolling on the ground and acting like a total wacko. i saw her friend was trying to hold her up and everyone in their proximity just tried to get the f*ck out there, as far from her as possible. it was really idiotic. she was simply ruining it to everyone around her by screming REALLY loud and acting out this totally idiotic "fan panic attack". i think i can say "acting out" because when the pop encore was over she had recovered in a second - so it was just a stupid show from her, nothing else. it looked like it was something she had rehearsed in advance or something. utterly stupid. i seriously wanted to walk to her and punch her in the face for it!
so... i'm afraid i have no much love for these screaming idiots... :evil: and i do hope robert would stop trying to please them too much. :? some people forget that they can really ruin the concert experience for other people, with overexaggerated reactions like that. they really can ruin it. because i didn't travel all the way there to germany to listen to some idiot girl scream. i traveled to hear the band called the cure, i came to listen to the music. i don't get this excess screaming, imo it's simply pretty stupid.
Quote from: japanesebaby on April 02, 2008, 22:33:20
Quote from: melly on April 02, 2008, 09:59:58
I think it's pretty rude saying things about Robert dancing around lapping up the screams of teenage girls. They aint just teenagers, I can tell you!!
I know a few guys in the same age range who would just LOVE to be screamed at ( in a positive way!) by younger women... if ya got it, flaunt it!!
well, i don't know but i have a recollection from the berlin gig which makes me a bit bitter about this subject: there was this utterly hysterical IDIOT teenager a little bit on my left and during the pop encore, when robert walked to the edge of the stage, she went just absolutely hysterical, screaming like a fire alarm, almost falling and almost rolling on the ground and acting like a total wacko. i saw her friend was trying to hold her up and everyone in their proximity just tried to get the f*ck out there, as far from her as possible. it was really idiotic. she was simply ruining it to everyone around her by screming REALLY loud and acting out this totally idiotic "fan panic attack". i think i can say "acting out" because when the pop encore was over she had recovered in a second - so it was just a stupid show from her, nothing else. it looked like it was something she had rehearsed in advance or something. utterly stupid. i seriously wanted to walk to her and punch her in the face for it!
so... i'm afraid i have no much love for these screaming idiots... :evil: and i do hope robert would stop trying to please them too much. :? some people forget that they can really ruin the concert experience for other people, with overexaggerated reactions like that. they really can ruin it. because i didn't travel all the way there to germany to listen to some idiot girl scream. i traveled to hear the band called the cure, i came to listen to the music. i don't get this excess screaming, imo it's simply pretty stupid.
Sure it's difficult for to record.....
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: japanesebaby on April 02, 2008, 22:33:20
Quote from: melly on April 02, 2008, 09:59:58
I think it's pretty rude saying things about Robert dancing around lapping up the screams of teenage girls. They aint just teenagers, I can tell you!!
I know a few guys in the same age range who would just LOVE to be screamed at ( in a positive way!) by younger women... if ya got it, flaunt it!!
well, i don't know but i have a recollection from the berlin gig which makes me a bit bitter about this subject: there was this utterly hysterical IDIOT teenager a little bit on my left and during the pop encore, when robert walked to the edge of the stage, she went just absolutely hysterical, screaming like a fire alarm, almost falling and almost rolling on the ground and acting like a total wacko. i saw her friend was trying to hold her up and everyone in their proximity just tried to get the f*ck out there, as far from her as possible. it was really idiotic. she was simply ruining it to everyone around her by screming REALLY loud and acting out this totally idiotic "fan panic attack". i think i can say "acting out" because when the pop encore was over she had recovered in a second - so it was just a stupid show from her, nothing else. it looked like it was something she had rehearsed in advance or something. utterly stupid. i seriously wanted to walk to her and punch her in the face for it!
so... i'm afraid i have no much love for these screaming idiots... :evil: and i do hope robert would stop trying to please them too much. :? some people forget that they can really ruin the concert experience for other people, with overexaggerated reactions like that. they really can ruin it. because i didn't travel all the way there to germany to listen to some idiot girl scream. i traveled to hear the band called the cure, i came to listen to the music. i don't get this excess screaming, imo it's simply pretty stupid.
here here :smth023
And you know about my experience in Paris with the blue-haired girl :twisted: Well, it's kind of funny now, but at the time I just wanted to ring her neck.
yeah and then just imagine the possibility that these same people come posting all these "please please someone share a recording from this show???" the day after the concert.
you feel like "right... sure." :evil:
Quote from: japanesebaby on April 02, 2008, 23:34:09
yeah and then just imagine the possibility that these same people come posting all these "please please someone share a recording from this show???" the day after the concert.
you feel like "right... sure." :evil:
Where are the boots? I must have the boots! :smth096
Quote from: crowbi_wan on April 03, 2008, 00:01:01
Quote from: japanesebaby on April 02, 2008, 23:34:09
yeah and then just imagine the possibility that these same people come posting all these "please please someone share a recording from this show???" the day after the concert.
you feel like "right... sure." :evil:
Where are the boots? I must have the boots! :smth096
eh... well "ever thought of trying your local shoe store or something?" or "maybe you're wearing them all the time?"
:-D
Thinking about this again now, i can see entirely why this tour may have been quite 'pop' orientated.
The fact is, when they get onstage to play songs, we react, it goes back to them and its something that happens. Its that connnection between the audience and the band. The impression i get, is that theyre just enjoying themselves, they dont have to do any of this tour, but playing more upbeat sets i feel is a lot more about that interaction, its where those moments to really remember come from. I totally understand now why they didnt do a Faith encore at wembley and its simply because not enough people wanted it or cared enough to show it, i got the impression many people went in expecting it to be pretty much mandatory as it was the last night of the tour, myself included.
However, the band/audience interaction didnt seem as good as it couldve been and of course you cant blame them for not giving surprises to a half arsed audience.
I always feel that when they play darker sets as they have done (eg. 2002) its primarily to please themselves, for them to think 'If i were watching us, would i be impressed?' and those are different concerts, where the band might avoid a few of the hits to have a good time really getting into the mood etc.
These long poppier concerts have more of a party vibe to them, theres more positive energy and the mood is lifted.... but of course a lot of people dont want that all the time. I can see why, but as a performer sometimes going off that reaction is the real driving thing and gives you that good feeling.
Quote from: japanesebaby on April 02, 2008, 22:33:20
Quote from: melly on April 02, 2008, 09:59:58
I think it's pretty rude saying things about Robert dancing around lapping up the screams of teenage girls. They aint just teenagers, I can tell you!!
I know a few guys in the same age range who would just LOVE to be screamed at ( in a positive way!) by younger women... if ya got it, flaunt it!!
well, i don't know but i have a recollection from the berlin gig which makes me a bit bitter about this subject: there was this utterly hysterical IDIOT teenager a little bit on my left and during the pop encore, when robert walked to the edge of the stage, she went just absolutely hysterical, screaming like a fire alarm, almost falling and almost rolling on the ground and acting like a total wacko. i saw her friend was trying to hold her up and everyone in their proximity just tried to get the f*ck out there, as far from her as possible. it was really idiotic. she was simply ruining it to everyone around her by screming REALLY loud and acting out this totally idiotic "fan panic attack". i think i can say "acting out" because when the pop encore was over she had recovered in a second - so it was just a stupid show from her, nothing else. it looked like it was something she had rehearsed in advance or something. utterly stupid. i seriously wanted to walk to her and punch her in the face for it!
so... i'm afraid i have no much love for these screaming idiots... :evil: and i do hope robert would stop trying to please them too much. :? some people forget that they can really ruin the concert experience for other people, with overexaggerated reactions like that. they really can ruin it. because i didn't travel all the way there to germany to listen to some idiot girl scream. i traveled to hear the band called the cure, i came to listen to the music. i don't get this excess screaming, imo it's simply pretty stupid.
well, that's an extreme case, of course people who react like that are just wankers, whether it's at a Cure show or somewhere else... I certainly wasn't referring to people like her, I would have thought that would be obvious... I was remarking on the comments made about Robert lapping up all the attention from a younger crowd.. big deal...
stupid behaviour from any fan is a pain in the a**e, that's a given....
Well for me '4 Tour' was great.
I didn't miss the kbds parts & i don't care if they are playin' the same songs every night as long as they can do it so well!
So i hope that they will (please) come back fro tour really soon!
Hmmm... after all a new l.p. is going out next month & we've got the 30 years ani. don't we/they ?
:)
Just be thankful that they are changing the setlists somewhat AND covering most of their bases! I've spent 2 weeks following a band around Europe last summer who had the same setlist every night, and they ignored 2 of their less well recieved albums in favour of the songs from the new album! At least The Cure are doing something about it by including at least a few songs from each era, and occasionally playing an old favorite.
You've got to remember, these guys have a MASSIVE amount of music to remember. They're on for about 3 hours these days. It's just not practical for them to learn/rehearse every song in the bands catelogue in this format, particularly because the Cure have a long history for rotating and changing band members, so they can't be sure how much longer Porl will be around (probably once his check clears for 4:13 Dream and the 4tour).
A tricky question.I was in Oberhausen and the overall impression was spectacular,especially the
beginning.There was so much energy in the air,but then,after 150 min,I noticed a "dead point".
I don't know how and why.I left the concert after the tenth encore with only one thought:"Don't miss
the last train!"The last third of the show overpowered me a bit.Nevertheless,I hope to see and hear
them again next year(?). :)
Afterhoughts on this tour: I went to one gig and enjoyed it very much.
Glad I did, as this line-up is history now.
(Well, maybe we will get some more of those studio tracks they recorded in 2007/8.)
Quote from: MeltingMan on May 05, 2014, 21:14:52
There was so much energy in the air,but then,after 150 min,I noticed a "dead point".
The last third of the show overpowered me a bit.
Don't forget you're 5 years older now, wich will make it more difficult. ;)
I agree that being on your feet (incl. some dancing) for 3 hours can be quite demanding. But that's what you do to hear some of your favourite songs by one of the best bands around.
Right,Ulrich.To be honest,I had a seat place on the right side,relatively close to the stage,because I
knew the concert would last around 3 hours.Now I'm older and severely disabled,but that's a different
story,does not mean, that I'm sitting in a wheelchair.Robert was in his element,as always,and I saw
Porl/Pearl for the first and probably last time.The crowd of 11000 was also fantastic.The setlist
could stand,on the other hand,a few changes. :oops: :lol:
PS:This is only a suggestion for a modified E3:Other Voices,Trap,End,Three Imaginary Boys.
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 25, 2008, 20:33:10
Quote from: nevyn on March 25, 2008, 11:38:57
Bear in mind, that Depeche Mode for instance, have even lower song rotation rate...
a good point.
there are so many other bands (and even good bands!) that do max 90 minnute shows and almost always (and i mean always) play the exact same set in concert of the tour.
a practical tip: if you're so very much bothered about setlists being too much alike, then maybe go see only one or two shows. don't even plan going to see any more, if you're already so annoyed by this setlist detail in advance. and that way you might end up seeing one really good show and being able to really enjoy it.
i think the "setlist problem" only really affects fans that are going to see like 5-10 shows or even more - then the possibility that it might start to bother you that you hear the same songs over and over again BUT maybe then you have to blame it on yourself too. after all, who told you to go see so many shows? nobody did. because whatever we might want for ourselves (i for instance would have wanted 'other voices' and 'a short term effect' and a couple of other things - i didn't go there to listen to 'just like heaven' in rotation), we still have to remember that most concert-goers still do go to see only one show anyway. die-hard fans like many of us here are still a minority there, i'm afraid - so if our voice doesn't always get heard, it doesn't need to be something outrageous. and so whatever "10+ members" might think, the band does have to consider those people too. otherwise there would be a lot more people complaining that they didn't play and they didn't play that than there are now. maybe robert &co. doen't think "oh i really need to change this setlist more often because all these crazy die-hard people are going to follow me and see 12 shows in a row, i really need to think of them" when they design the setlists - and we can't really accuse them for anything if they don't.
so considering all this, the fact that setlists aren't extremely imaginative does not mean the band is dead or bored or something like it. maybe it's the fan(s) who might be (bored or in crisis), but imo one really blame it on the band or jump into conclusions that there was some kind of a major crisis going on there with the band or that it necessarily was some kind of a sign of things going downhill etc.
I can share the view about Depeche Mode and setlist in general.Andrew Fletcher meant,shortly after
the "Faith and Devotional Tour",giving the gist:"The group has no interest playing in front of
always the same audience",a somewhat unhappy wording,but that is probably the same case with
The Cure, and Robert can't ignore the mainstream,and the mainstream want "Greatest Hits" stuff.
It's a balancing act,well managed by Robert to date and we "fans" have to consider this,because
The Cure is meanwhile a worldwide established band and no longer an exclusive fan band.