I'm really pissed off about this
http://blog.curefans.com/dsanchez/2008/05/26/tapers-and-bloggers-whos-the-selfish/ (http://blog.curefans.com/dsanchez/2008/05/26/tapers-and-bloggers-whos-the-selfish/)
Your thoughts?
Well.....I do agree it was wrong of him to convert it to MP3 after the tapper asked that it not be. But on the other hand, I can also understand the guy's converting it so more folks can enjoy it. After 9 years of downloading MP3's the FLAC is still new to me. And cos of that after I download everything I convert everything to MP3 only cos I know for a fact that file extension can play on all programs, CD players, etc. I hate when I download something then find out nothing recognizes the file extention.
I think the tapper or the blogger should have posted links to free online converters or free online players that could recognize the FLAC file. That way the taper's wishes of it not being converted could have been honored. And yet more folks could still enjoy the concert and convert it into the file extention they are comfortable with for thier own private use.
I hope all of that makes sense!
I completely agree with the guy when he said:
Nex time, if you want just you or a group of people listen your recording, write it exactly and with password and shared it just among your friend. It does not make sense to publish in public forums.
I'm sorry David, but the whole concept you try to establish is a bit silly.
(not to mention it's impossible)
janko, it's not silly.
i find it much more silly that people think internet gives then all the right to have no respect whatsoever to other people. because that's what it is.
and in the end, who wins, who loses? the community (including you, and me) loses because some more people will say "ok i'm fed up with sharing because people have no manners".
so go figure.
(and just because it's impossible to "control" everyone in the web does not mean people have the right to do whatever they want and show middle finger to someone who wanted to share. sometimes i wonder if all these people who keep flashing their middle finger all around this way also do it as much in they daily lives? or do they only lose they manners when they go online?)
@iwannashagsimon: i don't understand why you imply that converting to lossy mp3s is somehow necessary for you if you want to play music with a cd player? :?:
well , as a newbie to technolgogy.. i.e. mp3, Flac, etc.. i am always wary.
David, you put this up on dime in good faith. Unfortunately.. real-life, there are many not-so-decent people out there. Typical. Not everyone has respect.
As far as I know about Dime ( which I still can't get an account yet..) :roll:
is that if you do put a torrent up there for all for grabs, then, it is 'assuming' that it will be respected and revered as your recording. Unfortunately , this does NOT happen.
they snatch - and- grab.. like many other 'free download' sites.
Maybe if it was released only in the curefans community, it would not occur so frequently.
Although I know of some very, very bad snatchers.. :evil:
I am sorry that this has happened to you. I know the effort required for such an event is extreme.
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 27, 2008, 16:48:47
i find it much more silly that people think internet gives then all the right to have no respect whatsoever to other people. because that's what it is.
and in the end, who wins, who loses? the community (including you, and me) loses because some more people will say "ok i'm fed up with sharing because people have no manners".
so go figure.
(and just because it's impossible to "control" everyone in the web does not mean people have the right to do whatever they want and show middle finger to someone who wanted to share. sometimes i wonder if all these people who keep flashing their middle finger all around this way also do it as much in they daily lives? or do they only lose they manners when they go online?)
the internet is f*ckd . Face it.. whatever you publish , no longer remains your own. Your personal stamp.
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 27, 2008, 16:48:47
@iwannashagsimon: i don't understand why you imply that converting to lossy mp3s is somehow necessary for you if you want to play music with a cd player? :?:
... some of us have no choice when it comes to technology. although Flac is preferred, unless one has a state of the art system, it makes no outstanding difference. ( not all of us are music majors!.. just fans who want to hear their favourite band!) ;)
If i pods, mp3's are THE stereos of today and tomorrow, then... why bother with flac?
BTW.. before anyone blasts me for this.. I do have flac, and the conversions.. but.. each to thier own, and yes, affordability! :smth023
Guys, listen. If a taper asks for people not to convert to mp3 you should have the common courtesy to honor that request (it is a different thing if you convert it for your own personal use).
After all, you would not have this recording if not for the taper. And this is a never ending **** fest. There will be arguments that the taper doesn't own the recording, the artist does. There will be people bitching that certain shows which are known to have been recorded never see the light of day. People not honoring tapers wishes is a part of the reason why recordings aren't released. There are many other reasons why tapes aren't released (backstabbing traders, etc).
This argument always comes up and there are 3 sides. My side, your side, and people in the middle that don't give a shit as long as they are able to hear the recording. Since we have had this argument here many times, let's not repeat the same old mantra.
It is people that blatantly disregard a taper's wishes that are to blame when recordings aren't released to the general public. Blame them, not the taper.
Quote from: scatcat on May 27, 2008, 17:21:21
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 27, 2008, 16:48:47
i find it much more silly that people think internet gives then all the right to have no respect whatsoever to other people. because that's what it is.
and in the end, who wins, who loses? the community (including you, and me) loses because some more people will say "ok i'm fed up with sharing because people have no manners".
so go figure.
(and just because it's impossible to "control" everyone in the web does not mean people have the right to do whatever they want and show middle finger to someone who wanted to share. sometimes i wonder if all these people who keep flashing their middle finger all around this way also do it as much in they daily lives? or do they only lose they manners when they go online?)
the internet is f*ckd . Face it.. whatever you publish , no longer remains your own. Your personal stamp.
but you miss my point. my question was: why do people turn into selfish "i do what i please! just watch me!" bullies when they go online? this guy writes:
I'm sorry I passed your recording as mp3, but I guess you will understand it if you really wanted to keep something beautiful thinking on the rest of the people and not thinking in a kind of fame or for personal money"fame or personal money? wow, some reasoning. how about people like him playing message board heroes (for fame!) with stunts like this?
just because the web is full of these people who have no respect and who only love themselves and their own "rights" to do this or that, doesn't mean i have to agree with them.
Quote from: j on May 27, 2008, 18:48:01
This argument always comes up and there are 3 sides. My side, your side, and people in the middle that don't give a shit as long as they are able to hear the recording. Since we have had this argument here many times, let's not repeat the same old mantra.
It is people that blatantly disregard a taper's wishes that are to blame when recordings aren't released to the general public. Blame them, not the taper.
amen.
I agree with many of the comments written by Baby and J here.
I think the Internet makes people lazy. Ten or twenty years back it was very hard to find recordings. Talking about Peru, you would have to bring your tape to one shop here and they would pass the recording to you. And of course, you would have to pay.
Today things changed. Many people have this sharing-spirit. They would buy expensive equipments to capture the show for hundreds or thousands of others -around the world-. Taping a show is not a funny thing. I did it in Bjork because I am not so crazy for her. I couldn't do it with The Cure (because there I want to jump, scream, push, dance). Maybe I would change my mind after seeing them "n" times. But not yet.
But going back to the point, I think people should recognize the effort of those who invest their money and time to share a show that every fan would want. That's why I wonder why is so hard for people to honour one simple wish.
Because Internet makes lazy, people wants thing fast (the fast-culture). They want it fast, and they want it soon. They can't wait.
The Bjork Lima concert was recorded by me and another guy. We made the big mistake to say that we recorded the show (in a Bjork peruvian community) and that we were going to share it in a few days.
Lots of people wanted it right away. With no "Please", no manners. Some, very few, said "thank you". Just one contacted me and thanked me and asked me how he could the recording, that he could go to my home, bring a CD and I could pass him the files. Just one guy from hundreds in that community.
The others were waiting sitting down that me or the other guy would publish the show asap.
What happened later? The other taper's recording was published in a blog with even no credit to him. Just the songs in mp3 (who knows how poor encoded) and no info.txt, nothing. About me, you know it.
Maybe to think that people will respect is to be a dreamer or to be silly, wathever you call it. But what is for sure is that I learned from that not to share so easy.
A month later (december), another big band played in Peru. I've also recorded the show, but after Bjork experience I've decided to keep it with myself until last month, almost 5 months later the concert took place. I could have shared the show the very same night of that concert. But if people does not give shit, why should I?
yes, i did misunderstand here.. the main point.. jb..
Tapers should be respected, but in the real world they are not. If I was to download some concert, I would totally respect that person's wishes.. but it doesn't always end that way, unfortunately.
Things are-a-changing. It seems nobody owns anything. Another reality check for technology.
The risk those Great Ones take out there, for sharing with others is often abused.
:shock:
I like to subscribe to the matra of "If yr gonna do something do a good job and dont half-ass it". Uploading MP3s is just half-assing it so you can get it up quicker. If yr gonna share something than why not share something good. Take the extra 15 minutes and upload the goddamn FLACs
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FRONT 242 now makes an ultimate statement towards abusive audio compression
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1. Mp3 - 192Kbps (medium quality)
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3. Wave - 16bits/44Khz files
4. Free Lossless Audio Codec (Flac) - for PC
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Quote from: Janko on June 03, 2008, 01:45:28
Ahead of their time back in the early 80's, the Belgian cult electronic act
FRONT 242 now makes an ultimate statement towards abusive audio compression
by releasing the free 2-track download, "First moment", in 5 various audio
sound quality formats:
1. Mp3 - 192Kbps (medium quality)
2. Mp3 - 320Kbps (good quality)
3. Wave - 16bits/44Khz files
4. Free Lossless Audio Codec (Flac) - for PC
5. M4A Apple Lossless - for Mac
It's up to the listener to hear the difference between the various audio
sound formats and thus hear for him/herself what good quality audio sounds
like. To get hold of this free 2-track download, which will hit the online
world on June 15th, you need to register here :
http://www.alfa-matrix.com/shop_comments.php?id=1524_0_8_0_C !
Pre-registering is needed in order to get hold of the free download.
a lot of artists have brains today to offer downloads in various formats, just see this:
http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5137.0.html
(that one even has a hi-res option available!)
many artists who share their music free through places like archive.org offer lossless download too.
and thus i find it totally silly that Radiohead got so much publicity with their free album - as it was utterly silly because it was mp3-only(!) - like they were ahead of their time or something? on the contrary: besides, they still forced people who want a quality copy of their album to go and pay for it(!).
(anyway, shouldn't that be posted on 'other artists'/'downloads', janko? i'm not entirely sure what this has to do with bloggers at all?) :?:
i do now understand that the format for 'ultimate' recording : as far as music quality goes... is FLAC.
I did not know this even 6-12 months before today. :!:
I have a learnt a hell-of-a-lot through this site, about 'quality' recordings. :smth023
I can honestly also say, I do not have the equipment that polarises one format against the other.
I Love The Cure. However, my bank balance doesnot allow me to enjoy in so much high-quality sound. I have many FLAC recordings.. they are complete in all areas.
I have also had to convert FLAC, in order to listen to some magical concerts, as I cannot upgrade my PC sound system.
When discussing 'selfish' behaviour... as stated above, It is only a sign of respect to distribute/trade/share in the same format as asked. That is the code of music traders/sharers.
If this is disregarded, or abused in any manner than recieved, then.... I say.. set the 'dogs' on them for butchering such a recording! :evil:
IMHO bloggers are the most selfish.
End of comment.
Quote from: japanesebaby on June 03, 2008, 08:16:17
(anyway, shouldn't that be posted on 'other artists'/'downloads', janko? i'm not entirely sure what this has to do with bloggers at all?) :?:
The point of my post was to try and compare the sound quality of various formats. Or as F242 said:
QuoteIt's up to the listener to hear the difference between the various audio
sound formats and thus hear for him/herself what good quality audio sounds
like.
My point is that there are vast differences, but in casual listening - the MP3 vs FLAC difference is not THAT relevant and it is understandable to want to convert to a smaller file...
What can I say David, except the guy is a dick of the highest order (& a shameless one to boot).
But then again, I guess there was already a little voice in the back of your head telling you that it would end up somewhere compressed to fcuk when you first shared it.
That being said, it is a simple case of manners & manners cost nothing.
I discovered bubcat's Toronto recording on a blog last week & I let him know, in case he wanted to do as you did.
He didn't seem to bothered TBH, but then he hadn't explicitly asked not to have it shared loosily.
& @J It is a belief that this is the reason behind recordings not getting let "into the wild", but I was also told that many tapers do it as a hobby & simply don't want to share & they simply aren't interested in message boards. Fair enough. Their work, their choice.
But destruction of the original isn't the only reason there.
What really takes the p!ss here is the bare faced audacity of the reply from the guy (is it a guy?).
Get a hold of his contact details & spam the b@stard.
Quote from: Steve on June 03, 2008, 20:13:42
But destruction of the original isn't the only reason there.
What really takes the p!ss here is the bare faced audacity of the reply from the guy (is it a guy?).
maybe destruction of the original isn't the only reason - i'd rather say the reason is the "i own the internet i own everything i make the rules i'm the king of the f***ing world me me me" kind of selfishness and lack of respect (of which the destruction of original
is one example!) that is a major reason there.
and at the end of the day, the result is the same: tapers withdrawing from sharing seems to generate more selfish pricks doing selfish acts like this and more selfish pricks means more tapers might withdraw from sharing.
these issues are difficult to talk about in the web for several reasons. for instance, pretty much every time a taper tries to explain why he doesn't share/circulate his recordings (even if it was for some completely unselfish reasons, NB) there're people accusing him for hoarding. and so easily, the best thing for them might even seem to stay completely silent and never even tell anyone they ever taped anything(?). i guess that way everyone would be happy: the taper could tape without anyone bugging him, non-taping people out there would remain happy because they wouldn't even know any better.
and yes, some people do hoard, that does happen: but they usually also those who are pretty active in getting more stuff against their own stuff - it's like "to hoard in order to hoard more" (actually that should sound like a contradiction in terms!). do whatever necessary just in order to get
more. a strange attitude. anyway, people who just tape for themselves (because they really just wanted to tape for their own pleasure) are actually not hoarding anything, in the same sense of the word. and how do you motivate such people to share, when there's nothing much in the game for them? difficult. yet it's really easy to unmotivate them even further.
personally i'm not sure which one bugs me more, these disrespectful "i'm the king of the internet" kind of bloggers etc., or people who only act like your friends simply because they want something from you who want to please you in order to gain something from it. the scene is full of both, unfortunately. and both make me pretty tired.
It have been three years since the first recording I made (I actually started to tape in the mid of '90s but I dont know where are those tapes anymore and back then we didnt have this "mp3" problem) and I wanted to say that I have readed/felt tapers and leechers opinions/behaviours during these years.
I came to the conclusion (like Janko wrote above) that to think people will respect our will in the Internet is a little bit silly. Let's face it, when we put something on the Internet, we're putting it for millions of people with different view of things, who don't understand technical differences and so on.
For this reason everytime I tape I don't write anymore "don't do this, do not sell, do not convert mp3". No-one likes to be told "don't do this", no-one likes to get information in a "negative way". Who does?
Since some months ago I started to write down a note about benefits of flac, etc, and that's all. I think is much better. Tapers who don't like mp3 or lossy formats have two choices: they accept how the real "world" in the Internet is, or they simply don't share anything.
I went for the choice one. There are so many things in life more important than caring if someone converted my show to mp3 (by the way they passed "my" Pet Shop Boys Madrid show all over the Internet in mp3 - and I was smiling about :)
Of course I will always try to "educate" people about flac and loseless formats, etc. but that's all. For me is enough a handful of people who thanks about the recording, that satisfies me. Again, there are so many real problems in life that bitching because someone transfered something to mp3 is, in my opinion, a waste of time and not good for health :)
By the way, the Massive Attack show yesterday in Lisbon was awesome and I taped it all. Going to share it later on dimeadozen.org ;)
Quote from: dsanchez on November 23, 2009, 13:56:07
Since some months ago I started to write down a note about benefits of flac, etc, and that's all. I think is much better. Tapers who don't like mp3 or lossy formats have two choices: they accept how the real "world" in the Internet is, or they simply don't share anything.
true, there is so much more important things in life, i couldn't agree more. :)
and the reason i went that other way: it was not because of someone converted something to mp3s or whatever. it's because there are simply too many people out there (or should i say, not too many but people who are simply REALLY LOUD and think that they own the scene and have the right to be bossy towards others) who are amazingly rude, who cheat lie and do basically anything they can to benefit themselves but to give everyone else a finger. even give a finger to people who try to share their stuff. well, sadly this is how the world is, not just the sharing scene.
so like someone else said on taperssection once when this was discussed, as long as you are not hardened enough to take any kind of piss and shit thrown at you even when you're trying to be nice and share, it's better to stay away. because indeed, there are SO much more important things in life than that, than listening to some crap from some out there people you don't even know. just so much more important things to focus on.
and i also don't like the sexist/chauvinistic attitudes i've encountered on dime (some this one sad little guy writing me an insulting "cock tease" song in public, just because of my sex). i never understood what having something dangling between your legs has to do with taping a show properly. but don't ask me, ask that funny little guy. lol
and yes, noone likes it "in a negative way" - i didn't like it when i had to read on another forum people calling me a freak, even when i was trying to share freely (and most of they weren't, by the way). i never cheated those people or tried anything foul with them. i just tried to share my recordings.
so nobody can say that it's just some "real world" you has to accept. because noone has to listen to that kind of stuff - unless we somehow accept that some people just have the right to be rude and to bully others(?). i don't accept that, sorry. if there is no mutual respect, there will be no sharing community - if people thik they are better than others - there will be no sharing community.
so actually, mp3s have nothing to do with all that, people being absolutely rude do. i just don't respect bullies or let them tell me what to do or what not to do.
in the end, it's only their own loss.
ps. david, there is no format called "loseless" - it's loSSless. i think people can just get confused when you keep saying "loseless". :)
Quote from: japanesebaby on November 23, 2009, 19:48:47
and the reason i went that other way: it was not because of someone converted something to mp3s or whatever. it's because there are simply too many people out there (or should i say, not too many but people who are simply REALLY LOUD and think that they own the scene and have the right to be bossy towards others) who are amazingly rude, who cheat lie and do basically anything they can to benefit themselves but to give everyone else a finger. even give a finger to people who try to share their stuff. well, sadly this is how the world is, not just the sharing scene.
I never had any "piss" and "shit thrown" over me as product of sharing something and I don't know how something like this could happen. Of course I have not taped as many shows as many tapers out there, but I just don't understand. I share something, I read the comments, and that's all. Maybe there have been something you have done for this to happen. I don't know? I just don't understand.
Quote from: japanesebaby on November 23, 2009, 19:48:47
so actually, mp3s have nothing to do with all that, people being absolutely rude do
Here I was just pointing out the mp3 thing. People was never rude to me because I shared something (??)
Quote from: japanesebaby on November 23, 2009, 19:48:47
ps. david, there is no format called "loseless" - it's loSSless. i think people can just get confused when you keep saying "loseless". :)
Ok :)
What's this? Some conversation? :shock:
I'll join in...
Quote from: dsanchez on November 23, 2009, 20:48:42
Quote from: japanesebaby on November 23, 2009, 19:48:47
so actually, mp3s have nothing to do with all that, people being absolutely rude do
Here I was just pointing out the mp3 thing. People was never rude to me because I shared something (??)
One guy was VERY rude to jb after she shared a NIN master. Not only did the guy upload lossy files after he was instructed no to do so, he then went on this rant god like and even violent rant. jb was all for sharing until some poor outcomes in the NIN and Cure scenes. A real shame some douchebags have to ruin it for the fans. All one has to do is respect the taper's wishes. Is it really that difficult? :roll:
Now, my take on converting to lossy has changed as of late. I used to make those notes about not distributing lossy files and such. To be honest, I don't care about it anymore. The way I see it is the artists make both lossless and lossy available for the fans. They see that some prefer the ease of mp3s, while others remain pure to the traditional means of listening to media. Why should I as a taper be any different? If I upload my lossless files to dime, people can get them there. If someone wants to make things easier for those with crap internet speeds, lack of patience, lack of hard drive space, those that want files to get straight to their ipods, those with no care for lossless for whatever reason, I have no problem with doing that to my recordings. Before, my big concern was polluting the trading pool. Well, let's be real here. How many are trading for something that was torrented? Okay, maybe a handful do that. However, there are several free tools people can use to verify they're trading for lossless. Also, all it takes to get a dime account is a minimal effort. If one wants the lossless files, they're easy enough to find. Since my big concern is no longer a concern AND I don't see a difference in the artists offering lossless, my masters are no longer tagged with such a request to not convert. In fact, I very well may upload mp3s for some shows in the future. Yes, I still care about quality and would rather convert to 192 so that 128 or lower doesn't get posted. And if it does, well, why anyone would download that is a head scratcher.
Please don't confuse my thoughts with what other tapers request :!: I'm very much in favor of adhering to the requests of tapers. After all, without those that stand there and press record while you enjoy the show or are sitting at home we'd have nothing. To those that think they can do what they want without consequences, the consequence is tapers stop sharing.
Another thing I was thinking about on the lossless/lossy topic that sort of works into my "I don't care" stance. Isn't using roll-off basically doing the same thing as converting to lossy? I mean you're not lowering a certain frequency, you've eliminated it! It's one you can never get back. Roll-ff is (more or less) an on the fly lossy conversion. So, why would a taper that uses roll-off write "do not convert to lossy" when he or she just removed a frequency themselves? :smth017
Quote from: crowbi_wan on November 24, 2009, 04:44:27One guy was VERY rude to jb after she shared a NIN master. Not only did the guy upload lossy files after he was instructed no to do so, he then went on this rant god like and even violent rant.
I readed both sides of the story, and altought I'm sorry to say this, I somehow understand why the guy was rude. But anyway, that's not the topic here.
Quote from: crowbi_wan on November 24, 2009, 04:44:27
jb was all for sharing until some poor outcomes in the NIN and Cure scenes. A real shame some douchebags have to ruin it for the fans. All one has to do is respect the taper's wishes. Is it really that difficult? :roll:
For some people it's. Is like if you would ask: is really that difficult for people to wait for a green light before crossing the street? Yet people cross when they have red light. And there are lot of examples like that, unfortunately.
Quote from: crowbi_wan on November 24, 2009, 04:44:27
Now, my take on converting to lossy has changed as of late. I used to make those notes about not distributing lossy files and such. To be honest, I don't care about it anymore. The way I see it is the artists make both lossless and lossy available for the fans. They see that some prefer the ease of mp3s, while others remain pure to the traditional means of listening to media. Why should I as a taper be any different? If I upload my lossless files to dime, people can get them there. If someone wants to make things easier for those with crap internet speeds, lack of patience, lack of hard drive space, those that want files to get straight to their ipods, those with no care for lossless for whatever reason, I have no problem with doing that to my recordings.
I couldn't agree more.
Quote from: dsanchez on November 23, 2009, 20:48:42
Quote from: japanesebaby on November 23, 2009, 19:48:47
and the reason i went that other way: it was not because of someone converted something to mp3s or whatever. it's because there are simply too many people out there (or should i say, not too many but people who are simply REALLY LOUD and think that they own the scene and have the right to be bossy towards others) who are amazingly rude, who cheat lie and do basically anything they can to benefit themselves but to give everyone else a finger. even give a finger to people who try to share their stuff. well, sadly this is how the world is, not just the sharing scene.
I never had any "piss" and "shit thrown" over me as product of sharing something and I don't know how something like this could happen. Of course I have not taped as many shows as many tapers out there, but I just don't understand. I share something, I read the comments, and that's all. Maybe there have been something you have done for this to happen. I don't know? I just don't understand.
like brian said, in the NIN incident was a guy i didn't even know. he just came out of the blue and was really rude and even put f*ck you notes to me in public - after i had just shared a good recording with him, a recording of a show he also went to.
sorry david but i don't understand why you are saying you understand him. if i taped a show he also went to and gave it away for free - what does he to complain about?
about the cure: there were big issues during the 4tour but i guess you didn't noticed because you are not part of the taper scene.
there is this one bunch of long time cure tapers/collectors whom i only ever respected because of their long "career" and their knowledge. during 4tour i only wanted to share my recordings with everyone, with them too - then i read from their private forum all the crap they talk about people like us here on curefans, calling me/us names and laughing. and just making fun of all new tapers there - why? i don't understand. i stopped respecting those people that very moment. that was ugly to read - and no, i did nothing to cause it. i only respected these people in the beginning and just wanted to share my shows too.
and then later one of them wrote a nasty "c*ck tease" song to me in public, knowing i'm a girl and just wanting to be really rude. seriously, what's wrong with people like that?
i don't understand it as i know these people are 30-40+ years old. it's impossible to respect people who are that childish. grown up people still acting like school bullies. actually i feel sorry for them, because obviously they don't have much else to focus on in their lives then. they've never grown up or learnt one thing in life. those kind of people are sad.
so you implying that i did something to cause it: no i didn't. it's people just coming out of the blue and being nasty - why keep sharing in such environment?
it's true that you cannot make people to "follow rules" in internet - but you could ask people to respect each other at least in some ways, if you are supposed to form some kind of community. otherwise everyone suffers, instead of everyone benefitting. sadly mr Poo(ka), dennning, a*sfa(h)rt & friends are too infantile to understand.
but to be honest, i don't care. to me the (cure) taper scene is just one big sad joke. and i do have more important things to focus on that some silly infantile scene like theirs. :)
there are so much more important things in life so i don't waste my time on sad little people and their sad little games - but i surely don't wish to contribute to their sad little circles either. i feel sorry for them, being so infantile.
since i write too long messages and people can't bother read (i know), so the point:
it has nothing to do with mp3s or respecting the tapers' rules not to convert to lossy. yes, i would hope that people could do it - simply because the wolrd would be so much NICER if we simply were polite to each other. but true, you can't make people to follow rules because internet is full of people who don't follow any rules in life - people who think they can dictate the rules in anything. internet as a whole is hopeless, true. BUT in more or less closed communities, small circles of people focusing on some specific subject (like let's say the cure taper scene that I was talking about - or like curefans community etc.): i thik you could expect people to act nice because you could expect them to realize that everyone suffers if you act like a douchbag. if someone doesn't understand that, then well he's just a bit dumb, ruining it for others too.
it's about not giving in to idiots and not letting them to rule the world and dictate the rules. they think they can, but it's just so easy to just walk away and laugh at them and their little games.
that's the most important point - not to let the bullies rule. :!:
becausethere are just so much more important things in life. :)
and i feel sorry for the sad little bullies, mr Poo(ka) and friends out there somewhere.
Quote from: japanesebaby on November 24, 2009, 08:02:48
about the cure: there were big issues during the 4tour but i guess you didn't noticed because you are not part of the taper scene
And I will never be :)
And not because of the problems, because anyway I don't care to form part of a "taper scene". I tape for fun and to make myself and people happy with a nice souvenir of their gig, that's all. Unfortunately I don't feel able to tape a Cure concert as I couldn't be static during all the show (like I was in Massive Attack or other shows), but I certanly respect people who does it for us, Curefans.
Quote from: japanesebaby on November 24, 2009, 08:02:48
so you implying that i did something to cause it: no i didn't. it's people just coming out of the blue and being nasty - why keep sharing in such environment?
I was specifically talking about the NIN incident, which by the way started because of the converting your recording to mp3, etc.
Quote from: dsanchez on November 24, 2009, 12:36:16
I was specifically talking about the NIN incident
and i wasn't. :)
i also find myself thinking, why this had to be brought up now anyway? for me it's in the past anyway, i've made my decision and so be it. i posted my view because you posted yours, i have no interest to discuss it further or anything. it makes no difference.
so why need to poke it further, keeping it as an example here? not sure. :?: shouldn't we all really have better things to do? so let's leave this, ok? let's focus on something more important in life.
:)
Quote from: japanesebaby on November 24, 2009, 12:57:18
i have no interest to discuss it further or anything
Certanly me neither. I don't think there's something else to be added.