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Just interestingly people's opinion as I think that Live is much-much better then Studio...  :roll:

not voting yet since i've not even heard the thing yet. but just wanted to make sure what the option
'album sucks at all' stands for. do you mean that both live and studio versions suck, that it sucks anyway, either way?

i just find that it might be a bit enigmatic option, the way it is now.
just a question  :D

Quote from: japanesebaby on October 20, 2008, 23:39:41
but just wanted to make sure what the option 'album sucks at all' stands for

I think he means the new album has not hope, either live or studio, it sucks.

So far I think the live version is better, but I wait to hear the album (I'll buy the vynil).

I didn't hear the studio version.
Live stuff is awesome.

Quote from: Janko on October 21, 2008, 00:34:04
I didn't hear the studio version.
Live stuff is awesome.

I think the new songs are great, and the live stuff is awesome.

The new album sounds like shit, so it really doesn't matter if the songs are good at not.

Sorry Robert, but you screwed up - BIG TIME.  :oops:

I'm listening to the album now, it got leaked all over the net, (but of course I'm still gonna buy the CD next week). It's good, but still too loud for my liking. I'll still need to give it a few more spins so I can judge properly. I really enjoy the live set though.

I'm feeling exactly the same about the new album... I don't think it did worth to wait '4Tour'  :? years for that stuff...  :(
But I still believe in a carismatic dark album told to be issued.... in this century. :roll:

Quote from: lostflower4 on October 21, 2008, 07:39:15

Quote from: Janko on October 21, 2008, 00:34:04
I didn't hear the studio version.
Live stuff is awesome.

I think the new songs are great, and the live stuff is awesome.

The new album sounds like shit, so it really doesn't matter if the songs are good at not.

Sorry Robert, but you screwed up - BIG TIME.  :oops:

MTV has some one minute samples on their site:

http://www.mtv.co.uk/channel/10062008/424401/the_cure

and there is a wigit that you can download with videos (4 singles & RS interview / old videos)

http://www.polydor.co.uk/thecure/widget/


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Quote from: harrold on October 21, 2008, 17:09:26
But I still believe in a carismatic dark album told to be issued.... in this century. :roll:

Yes... me too...  :smth011

Bloody 3 years I have wait for this 'great' album... since 2006 Roberts birthday, isn't it?! And what do I get?... ah, SPICE GIRLS shit in face!  :cry:

Hey Bobby, here is a picture (http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9972/31479044qh3.jpg) I want to present you and ur actual girlfriends...

Wow, grats for the pic! Did you shot yourself in Rome?  :-D :-D
Anyway, even if I agree with you, please, calm down a bit, wish-man, because in spite of this shit we face with in this autumn, we, I guess, still love them all because Robert, The Cure gave us Faith, 17 secs, Pgrahy, 3IB, etc. Isn't that just right?
So, mabye it is time to pick up the dark album, if really exists  :? :shock: and get it issued A.S.A.P...

Quote from: wish-man on October 21, 2008, 17:45:18

Quote from: harrold on October 21, 2008, 17:09:26
But I still believe in a carismatic dark album told to be issued.... in this century. :roll:

Yes... me too...  :smth011

Bloody 3 years I have wait for this 'great' album... since 2006 Roberts birthday, isn't it?! And what do I get?... ah, SPICE GIRLS shit in face!  :cry:

Hey Bobby, here is a picture (http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9972/31479044qh3.jpg) I want to present you and ur actual girlfriends...

The songs themselves are good but the production sucks
Turn the treble down on the studio recording. Then it sounds heaps better.
If you have an iPod, go to settings, then EQ, and select Treble Reduce. Trust me if you do this it sounds 100x better.
:smth020

Quote from: harrold on October 21, 2008, 18:05:56
Wow, grats for the pic! Did you shot yourself in Rome?  :-D :-D

Yeh mate, Im on the left. Im so lovely, isn't it?! lol

Hearing the preview of The Hungary Ghost a few days back just ruined it for me.  I hate the vocals and Porl's effects.  That song was pure heaven in Rome.  Now, after listening to the entire album I'll be sticking with the live cuts.  Pretty sad that a shit ton of money was spent on studio time and production when they could have just as well plugged in somewhere and done it all in one take.  :oops: 

btw, didn't RS at one point say how stripped down the album was?  I want to hear that mix.   

Quote from: crowbi_wan on October 23, 2008, 06:54:11
Pretty sad that a shit ton of money was spent on studio time and production when they could have just as well plugged in somewhere and done it all in one take.  :oops: 

btw, didn't RS at one point say how stripped down the album was?  I want to hear that mix.   

Yeah me too. Imagine if they released a delux edtion, featuring a semi-accoustic disc or possibly the live set (I think they would have to do another show since Roberts voice wasn't exactly the best in that show), that would be interesting. Far more desirable than the crap EP.

Quote from: tigermilk on October 22, 2008, 04:41:30
The songs themselves are good but the production sucks
Turn the treble down on the studio recording. Then it sounds heaps better.
If you have an iPod, go to settings, then EQ, and select Treble Reduce. Trust me if you do this it sounds 100x better.
:smth020

Cutting the treble does help, but then the instruments start to go away too, so it's not a perfect solution.

Besides, there's absolutely no dymanic range. It's all just one big loud sound that kind of mushes together after a while. I like the songs, but there's no impact at all when it's like this.

It's sad... Every single album since Wish has had progressively worse sound.

I thought Wild Mood Swings sounded bad when I first heard it, but now it sounds awesome compared to the new stuff. I didn't care much for the sound of Bloodflowers, but it sounds great by comparison. I had problems with The Cure album from 2004, but I'd take the sound of it over this any day.

So I have to say I'm utterly afraid of how the supposed "dark album" will sound. Actually, I don't think it will be worse. I'm pretty sure it was just the other half of the recent sessions. I really don't doubt that it's already finished and ready to go. But of course we'll have to wait forever for some unknown reasons...

Seriously, I've lost hope in The Cure putting out a good studio release. Thankfully they can still put on a good live show.

Quote from: crowbi_wan on October 23, 2008, 06:54:11
btw, didn't RS at one point say how stripped down the album was?  I want to hear that mix.   

indeed!

i think a completely fresh mix would be the only hope to make this album sound like some decent piece of music.
anyone who'd know how to sneak in and steal the multi-tracks for this?  :lol: :(

Quote from: japanesebaby on October 23, 2008, 09:26:24i think a completely fresh mix would be the only hope to make this album sound like some decent piece of music.
anyone who'd know how to sneak in and steal the multi-tracks for this?  :lol: :(

If only The Cure would do something like Nine Inch Nails did with "Ghosts".

Then they could literally tell us, "If you don't like it, make your own!"  :smth023

Quote from: lostflower4 on October 23, 2008, 07:50:53
It's sad... Every single album since Wish has had progressively worse sound.

I thought Wild Mood Swings sounded bad when I first heard it, but now it sounds awesome compared to the new stuff. I didn't care much for the sound of Bloodflowers, but it sounds great by comparison. I had problems with The Cure album from 2004, but I'd take the sound of it over this any day.

Don't worry, by the time they release an album in 2020 everything from WMS onwards will sound awesome....

I think Regurgitator's tune of "I Like Your Old Stuff Better Than Your New Stuff" will ring true for a lot of The Cure fans....

Looks like we're famous now:

http://www.justiceforaudio.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=265


You know, I've been meaning to comment about the recent Metallica album Death Magnetic, but didn't get around to it.

The sound is seriously awful, with the drums clipping like crazy in many places. Fortunately, several people have made digital rips from the Guitar Hero version of the album, which don't suffer from loudness treatment. And not surprisingly, the sound is quite good!

But I don't think a Guitar Hero version of 4:13 will be coming out anytime soon, so I say we start making our voices heard!

Quote from: lostflower4 on October 23, 2008, 12:14:57
Looks like we're famous now:

http://www.justiceforaudio.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=265

Well I'll be.....

Hi everyone,

honestly, I really don't understand, what some of you have against the new album.
I think it sounds great. Great songs, Robert's singing is great. Porls guitar sounds very good. Brilliant bass by Simon and even the drums sound at least fresh.
I didn't like the production of the last album (especially for the pop songs), but I can't find anything wrong in the new production. I prefer the studio album by far to the live album. e.g. The Only One and Freakshow are very "thin" live and are much fatter on the album. It's Over is also more direct on the studio album.

For me, it's the best album since Disintegration

Quote from: lostflower4 on October 23, 2008, 12:14:57
Looks like we're famous now:

http://www.justiceforaudio.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=265

I thought we already were? :P

I think there's a major consensuns among the curefans: the songs are pretty good, with the album being probably one of the greatest of Cure's carrier, but the production sucks badly. Time to call Mr. Brian Eno!

I really like the live versions from Rome but Robert's voice sounded weak during the whole set... and he is singing very different on these new tracks.  Really, only Underneath the Stars has a classic Cure vocal take.  The rest of the vocals sound like an odd mix of The Top/Head On the Door era vox, but without the violence and energy.  So far, from what I've heard on the studio album, the vocals sound great (performance... not the mix) but I'm worried that his voice is going to disappear soon.  Seriously, when I saw them in Chicago in May Robert's voice was giving out.  Turns out the next week he was sick or something... voice just flailing about.  I've always been a firm believer that, at least, 60% of a great Cure song are Robert's vocals.

Just a quick thought...

(and I should point out that I'm really not in a position to comment, as I haven't heard the new album as yet!)

I had a thought as I read all the posts about the sound quality etc... of the new album. Do you think that this way of doing the sound is the new thing? And that all us listeners are basically older and used to a different way of it being done? Just a thought I had as I read thru the posts!

Quote from: ~*CherryRed*~ on October 28, 2008, 00:52:11
Do you think that this way of doing the sound is the new thing? And that all us listeners are basically older and used to a different way of it being done? Just a thought I had as I read thru the posts!

Yes, sadly is the new trend. Is not a matter of age, is just the way the music industry try to sell more? (I don't see other explanation)

An excellent explanation about this "loudness war" can be seen here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ

The Rome show suffered because Robert's voice was really weak (thought not as bad as Chicago by any means, which I guess wasn't as bad as a few that followed that date).  Production is lacking, and there's nothing stripped down or natural about this album at all.  Too many vocal effects on Robert's voice.  But still, best collection of songs since Wish.

I haven't listened to it live, but the production on it seems alright to me. I really like the album too, I'm sick of people moaning about wanting a really dark album. I guarantee that if they made another bleak record it would sound phoned in and second rate.

edit: Reading the other thread, seems like alot have problems with the production. I haven't listened to it alot, maybe my opinion will change. Icky Thump had some bad production that was noticeable right away, this, at least, seems better than that.