I lost my password so I created a new account... anyway I´m not that active in this forum (or any other forum...)
Here is a new video recently uploaded to YouTube.
CAUTION: If you are sick of the Boris vs. Jason debate, just dont watch it.. but I recommend to just watch from miinute 1:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NukZXiDI_Is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NukZXiDI_Is)
:smth081
I had a good laugh with that one.
Quote from: jasonerros on March 18, 2009, 05:45:50
I lost my password so I created a new account... anyway I´m not that active in this forum (or any other forum...)
Are you the guy who wrote this?
http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5472.0.html (http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5472.0.html)
Double accounts are not permitted in Curefans.com, let me know which account you will keep.
And by the way, I saw your video. Did you realise that Jason, as any other human, can make a mistake?
Quote from: dsanchez on March 18, 2009, 09:45:39
And by the way, I saw your video. Did you realise that Jason, as any other human, can make a mistake?
I also saw the video and I couldn't laugh with it. I love music and especially Cure Music, but I never heard a mistake (and I never paid attentions to it)
And I never will! I from the meaning that Roberts know pretty well what he's doing and wouldn't keep Jason in the band if he think he's a really bad drummer.
and further it is like dsanchez said it' only a human and human can make mistakes!
I hope for Jason he will never see and read that video!
Quote from: jasonerros on March 18, 2009, 05:45:50
but I recommend to just watch from miinute 1:55
LOL yeah that's just embarrassingly dreadful.
thanks for the shock/laugh :eek: :lol:
ps. it's no reason to smite me, though, imo. i don't smite anyone for saying jason is a great drummer.
;)
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 18, 2009, 21:52:15
ps. it's no reason to smite me, though, imo. i don't smite anyone for saying jason is a great drummer. ;)
the guy come to curefans.com, post his link (to a video where he talks bad about Jason -ok, his right to free speech, but why so much hate?-) then dissapear. I don't know, I don't think we should celebrate such kind of acts.
hence, I have the right to use the karma feature if I don't agree with something like this :)
It is a bit embarressing. It is actually poor drumming. I rest my case, I´ve said what I wanted to say and I do think that a very scarce number of concerts after 1985 is better than most of the concerts before that very same year.
Quote from: dsanchez on March 18, 2009, 21:56:57
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 18, 2009, 21:52:15
ps. it's no reason to smite me, though, imo. i don't smite anyone for saying jason is a great drummer. ;)
the guy come to curefans.com, post his link (to a video where he talks bad about Jason -ok, his right to free speech, but why so much hate?-) then dissapear. I don't know, I don't think we should celebrate such kind of acts.
hence, I have the right to use the karma feature if I don't agree with something like this :)
yeah but in that case smite him, not me. :)
why so much hate? of course 'm not talking for the guy who started the thread, but i'm not sure you use the right word when you say "hate". i'd say it's a question about a musician's self-respect: any musician who looks at those screw ups starts feeling frustrated. i'd be afraid to play with a drummer like that. it's simply not on a professional level, the amount of problems in jason's playing.
it's not some kind of hate towards his personality (people always, always confuse these things when this topic comes up). it's a question of his professional abilities to play like a pro musician. and after all, don't you always say how the cure is the best band in the planet? so wouldn't they deserve the best drummer in the planet too? and surely jason isn't that one. or a different kind of example: don't you always say how you hate the sequencer on 'push'? so someone could ask "why so much hate?" - what would you answer?
it's not a personality thing, something against the guy called jason cooper. it's about his playing. so let's not confuse the two. :!:
like said above by fiction, it's poor drumming. that's the subject here.
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 18, 2009, 22:03:10
yeah but in that case smite him, not me. :)
I did also :)
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 18, 2009, 22:03:10
it's not a personality thing, something against the guy called jason cooper. it's about his playing. so let's not confuse the two. :!: like said above by fiction, it's poor drumming. that's the subject here.
I think the subject here is THE WAY someone treats this subject. There are many good ways to critize, why make fun of someone? why to mock? Where is the respect and education?
Jason is not the best Cure drummer, we all agree on that, but that does not give us the right to make fun or ridiculaze him.
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 18, 2009, 22:03:10
and after all, don't you always say how the cure is the best band in the planet? so wouldn't they deserve the best drummer in the planet too? and surely jason isn't that one. or a different kind of example: don't you always say how you hate the sequencer on 'push'? so someone could ask "why so much hate?" - what would you answer?
My answer is that The Cure is Robert's band, not mine. I am just a simple fan. The Cure is his creation, his music. If he wants to keep Jason and add sequencers to "Push", then is his decision. We all fans can give opinions (politely, of course) but we can't order to Robert what to do.
In the end I will always go to see The Cure, Jason, Boris, of even if they play a tape instead of drums. They're my favourite band, so I just follow them. Period.
Quote from: dsanchez on March 18, 2009, 22:10:31
Jason is not the best Cure drummer, we all agree on that, but that does not give us the right to make fun or ridiculaze him.
Oh, come on! We all live in a democracy here on Curefans and since Jason is a public person he is to be criticized and even mocked if someone feel the need of that. There is a big difference if a member here, a common citizen, a humble peasant, is mocked. Then it is a sort of non legal abuse.
i think the charlotte '08 footage was quite educational. :-D
Quote from: dsanchez on March 18, 2009, 22:10:31
Jason is not the best Cure drummer, we all agree on that, but that does not give us the right to make fun or ridiculaze him.
again, ridiculing would be to treat his person/personality in a foul way. every performing artists puts himself/herself into the spotlight (voluntarily! and must be ready to receive criticism
towards his art. even harsh one. it's not the same as ridiculing the person behind it. and besides, nobody has told jason to get in the spotlight, to become a public figure. he's chosen that himself. so his doings
may be publicly mocked, if anyone sees reason enough. it would be different if you invaded some private persons' house or home and dragged him/her into spotlight first. celebrities can't complain, they've chosen their way of life themselves. and therefore we don't need to protect or patronize them either, syaing "oh dear, think about his feelings".
and do you see anything like "look how stupid jason looks" in that video? no you don't. so every criticism in it is aimed at his art. there's the big difference.
perhaps you need to become a musician first yourself, to experience and understand it first hand. ;)
Quote from: fiction on March 18, 2009, 22:17:28
Oh, come on! We all live in a democracy here on Curefans and since Jason is a public person he is to be criticized and even mocked if someone feel the need of that. There is a big difference if a member here, a common citizen, a humble peasant, is mocked. Then it is a sort of non legal abuse.
I know normally we have the "right" to mock of public persons, because they're "public". But I personally never agreed with this.
And being the member of my favourite band, it makes me angry.
And knowing is the second time this guy does this (comes here, post his link, dissapear) then makes me angry as well.
But yes, we live in a democracy in Curefans, that's why he posted a link to his video and everyone can express their opinions 8)
Quote from: dsanchez on March 18, 2009, 22:22:24
And being the member of my favourite band, it makes me angry.
but why doesn't it then make you angry that the cure (being the best band in the planet) doesn't have the best drummer in the planet? i could udnerstand that a lot better than this.
at least i never agreed with the attitude that when you're a fan of some band, then i somehow "need to" defend an protect anything and everything they do, even if i don't like it.
because you sound a bit like that now: it's contradictory that you do admit that jason isn't such a great drummer but still cannot accept criticism towards him just because he's a member of the cure. i don't fully understand the logic behind that, sorry.
Quote from: dsanchez on March 18, 2009, 22:22:24
And knowing is the second time this guy does this (comes here, post his link, dissapear) then makes me angry as well.
i don't know what's there to be angry about, really. he's posting a link but doesn't want to stick around to discuss - there's nothing wrong in that, imo.
Quote from: dsanchez on March 18, 2009, 22:22:24
I know normally we have the "right" to mock of public persons, because they're "public". But I personally never agreed with this.
But there is the freedom of choice. I agree with you in not beleiving in mocking.
Quote from: dsanchez on March 18, 2009, 22:22:24
And knowing is the second time this guy does this (comes here, post his link,dissapear) then makes me angry as well.
I can see how that pisses you off.
Quote from: dsanchez on March 18, 2009, 22:22:24
But yes, we live in a democracy in Curefans, that's why he posted a link to his video and everyone can express their opinions 8)
I believe in that. I kinda like this site and most of the topics and I have to say that I´m rather impressed of your knowledge of all different cure items and songs.
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 18, 2009, 22:20:55
perhaps you need to become a musician first yourself, to experience and understand it first hand. ;)
Maybe you're right, I'm also not a musician, so I don't hear the mistakes and I'm glad I don't. And that's the difference I suppose.
But I still think:
I have faith and trust in The Cure and I love the music from first to last with all the members!
And people who think to do it better than Jason, stand up. It's not easy to play for such a crowd, with knowing people are watching you to make a video with Jason's mistakes! And please don't look in the past, but in the future.
Quote from: Trust... on March 18, 2009, 22:33:38
And please don't look in the past, but in the future.
yes, i agree about this very much: we should look in the future and hope that the cure gets a better drummer! :D
Quote from: Trust... on March 18, 2009, 22:33:38
It's not easy to play for such a crowd, with knowing people are watching you to make a video with Jason's mistakes!
surely it's not easy for you or me - but for him it is a daily job! so he must be as sharp as you and i are in
our daily job. a lot of people would get sacked if they kept making many mistakes all the time - just think of a brain surgeon: if his hand slips, we wouldn't say "well it was not easy, he was nervous" - he must not be that nervous.
ok a brain surgeon has more responsibility than a rock drummer, sure. but what i'm saying is that people choose their jobs themselves and that means they can be expected to master their professions too.
Quote from: Trust... on March 18, 2009, 22:33:38
And people who think to do it better than Jason, stand up.
but for instance, if i took a bus ride and the driver was driving insanely and dangerously badly, then i could only complain if i could drive better than him? how about people without drivers' license, they couldn't complain?
i think they could! so in my opinion, you don't always have to be better than someone in something, in order to recognize good work from bad work.
i'm not trying to be a pain here, just trying to explain what i mean :)
Quote from: Trust... on March 18, 2009, 22:33:38
I have faith and trust in The Cure
me too :)
of course everybody can think about jason and the cure in general what they want, but don't you think that creating a account just to complain about jason and then disappear is a bit weird. that person probably joined several forums and posted the same thing. thats just ridiculous and somebody putting so much effort in doing this is definitely hating.
from the point were you spend more time complaining and fighting over the topic than actually listening and enjoying the music itself, the whole thing is a little bit over the top!!!!
so maybe we should all relax and listen to our favorite cure song :D
Quote from: alwaysprayingforRAIN on March 19, 2009, 16:47:51
so maybe we should all relax and listen to our favorite cure song :D
WORDS!
what is the name of the song?
is sad but true.... :smth011