Tomorrow (June 12th, 2025 from noon to 5pm) The Cure take over radio station NTS:

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Got to say, I used to like Joy Division (back in the late 80s, when I first heard them) and their sound is to me the "starting point" of typical "gothic rock". However nowadays I hardly ever listen to them or other "typical" goth any more... 

David Byrne is touring! Found out today + secured my ticket! A great seat too ...centre, about row 10, should be ideal!  Should be an interesting show    So glad to see him live, will be my first time.

He announced lots of dates, across US, Europe and Australia/NZ ...so if anyone else here is a fan ...look it up!! His website gives the presale code (by clicking on the concert date you want to attend).

I've just read a comment on Bandcamp today about the revival the Goth scene is experiencing right now: the person writing this comment basically said that, as we live in very dark times with wars and dictatorships shamelessly going on under our very eyes and we feel helpless, perhaps listening to dark music is the only way out to let this misery go away - apart from political action with protests and active resistance, that is (this is my personal add to the comment). I wonder if anyone here agrees. Certaintly, when I first listened to SOALW, and "Alone" in particular, I felt all of this, and I thought such songs were needed now more than ever, because they speak about the here and now, despite ostensibly talking about something else, and something very personal like ageing, disillusionment and so on. Yet, given the fact that the aforementioned Goth revival is happening also because people in their 50s and 60s (70s too) are going back to their roots to make sense of what happened in their lives, what mattered and what didn't, how music affected their choices (I know this has been happening to me since SOALW came out), aren't most of us experiencing that same disillusionment and ageing RS has expressed so beautifully in the record? Isn't this Goth revival a way to come to terms with ageing too, and to honour what we've been, what we've learned, in order to understand how to move forward despite the world burning? To honour death, should it knock on our doors - and it did, twice, for me, in the last few years. I also lost my parents, and though we weren't close, their death affected me more than I can say. I'll leave it at that.

Quote from: M. RutteBut you better learn to speak Russian.

A slap in the face for everyone who had the unpopular Russian as a compulsory subject at school, while English was optional. 

Quote from: sanderdeboer6034Mark Rutte is the last person on this planet to complain about defense spending. During his disastrous time as PM in which he destroyed the housing market, did nothing about PFAS and the impact on the environment by our bizarrely large agricultural industry, he also did huge cutbacks on defense spending.

Even though MH17 should have been the ultimate warning. Plus I still don't understand why he hasn't done anything about his horrible level of English.

 

Well, it might have been a cliché I guess, but I just don't like the music and his voice... The voice is everything to me, and I prefer "feminine" ones for men, Dave Gahan and Ian Curtis being two of the few exceptions to the rule. Anyway, as far as musical forerunners of goth are concerned, I think glam artists were much more interesting and innovative.

Israel, USA, Russia, Hungary... The world is really going insane, sometimes I just feel so helpless and full of rage... This song sounded just perfect for that feeling (but Ignoreland, always by The R.E.M. might have worked just the same)

Quote from: Sacha8 on June 10, 2025, 16:41:51No chance I might change my mind about The Doors, sorry.

I did not ask you to. But you might change the cliché-driven image of Morrison... He was more of an actor and poet than a rock singer, his "provocations" were often planned (or he was just drunk)...

The Cure covered "Hello I love you" back in 1990 (for a compilation of their US record company). Good choice.

Quote from: Ulrich on June 10, 2025, 14:26:09

Quote from: Sacha8 on June 09, 2025, 19:36:10Morrison is the epitome of the macho figure

Nah, that is not how he has been described by those who knew him. (Read some books if you need to know more about him. Or in other words, do not trust things like the Oliver Stone movie...)

However it is well known that The Doors were way "darker" than most other groups famous in the 1960s with their "peace and love" kinda message etc.!
Whether that's considered "goth" is not for me to know though.

Well, I don't like Oliver Stone either... No chance I might change my mind about The Doors, sorry.