Hypnagogic States (the september EP)

[japanesebaby]

You're really missing out, if you can't appreciate songs like The Only One, The Perfect Boy, Without You, and Down Under.

no. this is a misunderstanding: i never said i can't enjoy those song in any form. i can actually enjoy the live versions very much. so to "blame" me for not enjoying this music is a bit harsh, sorry. i've never said i don't appreciate the songs and/or the songwriting was crap - so if you're referring to me, then i'm afraid you might be twisting my words a bit.

It ruins the whole experience of music, really. You become more concerned with graphs and analyses than the music itself. And I think that's really sad.

This, by the way, is PRECISELY the reason I've resisted delving into audiophilia -- buying headphones that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars, getting into SACD, and making meticulous notes about tape generation. It ruins the whole experience of music, really. You become more concerned with graphs and analyses than the music itself. And I think that's really sad.

first, another misunderstanding: i do NOT listen to music by looking at some graphs FIRST. i listen to music and if it sounds sonderful/ok to me, i don't need to look into any damn graphics. but if/when something sounds to me like it's not completely ok somehow, if there's something bugging me in there, yes i sometimes do try to see what might be the reason for that. i do that because i'm interested in music, because i love it. but i certainly NEVER start with a "ok so let's see how this looks in graphics!". that would be totally ridiculous - because it's music for chrissakes, it's meant for your ears(!).
but if your ears do tell you something is not ok there, then sometimes (i repeat, sometimes) there are ways to use one's eyes to find out what it is. sometimes, not nearly always. so graphs alone are not an answer for everything, for chrissakes. and you need to know what tool you can use for what, what means what. 
maybe it's sad that i try to delve into things when something i hear through my ears is bugging me, maybe it's sad that i want to find some information about things that catch my attention? well i wouldn't agree it is but maybe someone can say that. but to say that i am "listening to graphs" and judging music because something "looks" bad (or to say that i can't enjoy fully music because of that), sorry but that is simply wrong.

or, should i then say that it's sad that some people enjoy them in their 13mix state? no, i don't mind it if people can enjoy then. good for them i suppose. it's just that i do trust my pair of ears over someone else's opinion - but is that sad or somehow wrong? i wonder. 
so, i don't mind it if people are happy with that stuff, i don't envy their enjoyment - it's just that i have a different opinion and yes i've said it out loud. and i said it more than once, yes - why? well perhaps blame this one of robert & co. because it's they've decided to release one single released every month. so every time a new one came out, all i could say was it didn't sound right to me. yes that was maybe repetitive, but how about all those people who posted a positive comment every time a single came out - what's the difference there, really?

I've never intentionally delved into audiophilia either. I just happened to be blessed (cursed?) with a sensitive pair of ears. And I don't need some super expensive equipment to know when something sounds like crap.

exactly.

and like said, i am not an audiophile (or whatever) because it's somehow "cool" or something, because i wanted to "explain" to other people, how to perceive things. if i'm explining anything then i am only explaining my own way of hearing things - and that's more like a kind of form of self-analysis, rather than and active attempt to try to "educate" others.
the fact is that i am simply interested in music in other levels too than just putting a nice tune on a swinging a bit to it. hey i like that too, i like it a lot actually. but to say that that's all that matters: i think music is a lot more interesting thing than that, there's a lot more potential there that can be discussed. of course, it does not have to be discussed but it can be. so i really can't find nothing wrong in that. and mind you, that doesn't mean i place myself in some kind of "higher level of understanding" or something - now that would be total b***shit. it's just about how i hear music, how and what i enjoy in it. that's the only thing i can try to describe, what anyone of us can describe. :!:

so yes, i've used some strong words, describing my reaction to the recent releases. i don't take it back because it is/was just a description how I hear it all. but i do feel rather bad being "accused" for hearing things the way i do hear them.... it seems almost like it is somehow "wrong" to enjoy delving into things - you do that and you often get accused of being a smart-ass audiophile or whatever. hmm, why?
why should it be "sad" that i can't enjoy 'all kinds of things', the way it is now?
is there one single right way to listen to music, to enjoy music?


now, i do feel rather silly, writing all this stuff, trying to defend and explain myself (if i had just been "bright enough" to post only  positive responses then i wouldn't have explain anything, i guess?).
but i suppose i can't help wondering whether this forum is about to come one of those places where only positive comments are ok(?).

(and yeah it's one of those long posts again. well read it if you want, don't read it if you don't care.)

[Trust...]

I will just wait and see  
And I'm very happy to say I'm a curefan who loves the music, the sound and of course Roberts voice, without thinking about all the technical stuff like how Jason is playing the drums,... (I don't blame the people who do this! but I think I can enjoy more ???? )

I think that many fans starred blind at the albums in the past, but come on be open for new stuff, it's called innovation   A week ago I heard the song "Da hype" from Junior Jack on the radio // it's a DJ, not the music I like, but from the start I heard Roberts voice there was a big smile on my face.

Who am I to judge these remixes? These are the only ones I didn't heard before  , so it's a suprise!

[GreenGhost]

Hi everybody! New here!

I'd say there's a chance this could be a good thing OR a bad thing.
There's a small chance these people, regardless of their affiliations, could take the songs and just make them sound more full and overall better mixed and more enjoyable...or there's always the chance with remixes that they will add their own stuff to it which based on my opinion of the chosen remixers' music would be terrible...here's hoping for the first one!

[bobbyp]

Has everyone heard the final details about this?

I read it here:

http://www.thequietus.com/articles/the-cure-announced-brand-new-remix-project

There's a link there to hear a little snippet of one of the tracks.

What does everyone think of bands like these remixing Cure tracks?  Hmmmm!  Cause for debate?  Have they openly said they are influenced by them or something?

Remember the Quietus was the website that got into a tussle with Metallica?  Haha! So funny!

[dsanchez]

I am sick of the negativity which has pervaded this forum.

We shouldnt generalize. The new album topic is just 1 out of 5014 topics in Curefans. I'm sure people is not that much negative in the other 5013 topics. Anyway, I think all criticism is welcome as long as it comes in a polite way. And I think so far all discussions here have been very polite and with solid arguments in most of the cases.

[Lostflowerboy]

But that's exactly what made me stop posting here (after just being an active member for 1-2 weeks):

Nobody seems to like any of the new songs, the productions, the drumming, the cover layout or the colour of Robert's lipstick.
Of course people can express their oppinion, but this negativitiy is really unique for a fan forum. To me it seems that some people still don't accept the happier side of the Cure universe even 25 years after "Lovecats". I have no clue what people expect? All of the new songs, either studio or live, are so much better than crap like "Cut here", "Just say yes" or "the end of the world", not even to mention album tracks like "Never".
No surprise to see the best Cure single in ages (The perfect boy) getting mainly harsh responses here. That's really frustrating. But wait, the uninspired "Your god is fear" is an excellent song, right?


Just to have a different approach:

I LOVE (most) OF THE NEW SONGS!!!
I THINK THE PRODUCTION OF ALL SINGLES IS QUITE GOOD!!!
THE STUDIO VERSIONS SOUND MUCH BETTER THAN THE LIVE ONES!!!
THE DRUMMING IS AS GOOD AS ALWAYS!!! (just listen to "NY Trip")
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO GET THE ALBUM AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT DAY!!!


(The only thing I'm not happy with are the chosen remixers, but hey, who could seriously be happy with these Emo idiots.)

[Janko]

Nobody seems to like any of the new songs, the productions, the drumming, the cover layout or the colour of Robert's lipstick.
All of the new songs, either studio or live, are so much better than crap like "Cut here", "Just say yes" or "the end of the world", not even to mention album tracks like "Never".
No surprise to see the best Cure single in ages (The perfect boy) getting mainly harsh responses here. That's really frustrating. But wait, the uninspired "Your god is fear" is an excellent song, right?

Well, it's not true that NOBODY at curefans likes the new songs!
So no reason to stop posting here.

I suggest you try to explain why are TEOTW, Cut Here or Your God is Fear crap songs. That's a start...

[dsanchez]

But that's exactly what made me stop posting here (after just being an active member for 1-2 weeks): Of course people can express their oppinion, but this negativitiy is really unique for a fan forum.

As I said below, maybe the reason is that you're focusing in a single topic, out of more than 5000 topics created in Curefans.com. If you focus in the other topics (audio, lyrics, technical stuff, etc.) you will find not negativity there. By the way, all other communities have almost the same thoughts about the new stuff (they don't like it), altought there will be some people who are also hard-die fans, and will take everything what The Cure records. My case, for instance.

[japanesebaby]

janko's right: no need for anyone to stop posting.

besides, it IS possible to be critical (and even in a strong manner) without being  negative. it's not the same thing, imo...
criticism doesn't mean people are trying to be nasty or didn't care/respect/love this band. :!:

But that's exactly what made me stop posting here (after just being an active member for 1-2 weeks): Of course people can express their oppinion, but this negativitiy is really unique for a fan forum.

by the way, i don't hate the new songs! (although i've been bashed about that lately):

http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5189.msg51056.html#msg51056

Nobody seems to like any of the new songs, the productions, the drumming, the cover layout or the colour of Robert's lipstick.

hmm i think people complaining about the cover layout (and robert's lipstick) are over there on the official site, don't you think?

[[labyrinth]]

and by the way,
i like the new songs.
and i'm part of the staff of this forum...
so, as you can see...
it's useless to generalize on curefans.
it's just that everyone has his own opinions.

[patitodark]

and by the way,
i like the new songs.
and i'm part of the staff of this forum...
so, as you can see...
it's useless to generalize on curefans.
it's just that everyone has his own opinions.

Yeah! I want to say that the only song I kind of enjoy is The Only One because it reminds me of High and the great Wish-era.

And talking about the sound of the new stuff, I can say that the new songs sound like I'm listening them in an AM Radio station (my 5.1 speakers can't do much to enhance them)  :twisted:

[Lostflowerboy]

Of course I won't stop posting here, I just claimed that to sound more theatralical. 

[Lostflowerboy]

For that sound/production discussion I think it's unfair to focuss on the Cure. It's not a secret that almost all productions of recent years are very compressed and loud to grab people's attention. I don't support that trend, but it's so common that I can't be upset about the production of the Cure singles. Trends come an go, maybe we'll be back to the old school of mixing (with equalizers being back into the green segment) by 2009?

[Lady]

I think that many fans starred blind at the albums in the past, but come on be open for new stuff, it's called innovation

Yeah and imho this is one of the biggest problems: we often judge the new songs thinking about the old albums and in this prospective (I must be honest!) all the new stuff seems not so good. But is it right to judge the new songs from that point of view? I think we need to understand and accept that we can't wait for a new "disintegration", "17 sec", etc..(it's always the same, I know), those times are gone and everything goes on. We can't ask Robert to "repeat himself", I know it's hard, neither I can't still appreciate the new stuff completely, but we must try to be opened to the innovation

[lostflower4]

For that sound/production discussion I think it's unfair to focuss on the Cure. It's not a secret that almost all productions of recent years are very compressed and loud to grab people's attention. I don't support that trend, but it's so common that I can't be upset about the production of the Cure singles. Trends come an go, maybe we'll be back to the old school of mixing (with equalizers being back into the green segment) by 2009?

But there's more to it here. Yes, it's loud and overcompressed (everything since Wild Mood Swings has been this way to varying degrees) — but this sounds bad in other ways too. If this was an up-and-coming band's demo or something I could understand it, but that's not quite the case here.

I thought I would stop talking about this subject, but I just heard The Perfect Boy single for the first time today and it was the same old thoughts going through my head, "Wow, this is hurting my ears. Maybe I should pause this for a minute." (while in mid-song)

Then I think, "I haven't heard anything this bad since... Oh yeah, the single from last month."  :x

And I've listened to a lot of music (old and new) between the last two releases. It's f*cking ridiculous!

I guess I'm already looking forward to their new album in 2012, because this year seems hopeless for turning out a quality studio production. 

Or maybe it's time for The Cure to give up recording new material and just focus on touring. The 2007-08 live stuff impressed me, but the recent studio recordings make me feel ashamed.

P.S.  I like almost all of the new songs.