4:13 Dream

[japanesebaby]

Hopefully they will play the majority of the album if there's a tour, because we already have proof that ALL of them can sound good live. It would be a shame to only play half of them and keep playing the same old stuff they've playing for the past 3 years. 

Agreed.  I'd like to see around 8 played and have a few rotated in and out every other night.  That would leave PLENTY of room the old standards which Robert just can't seem to leave off the sets.  The thing is they'll need to tour before the "dark" album comes out.  Otherwise we'll end up getting probably three, maybe four songs from each of them and then Fascination Street, Lovesong, Pictures of You, Lullaby, FTEOTDGS, Inbetween Days, JLH, 100 Years...  :roll:

i watched the roma interview bit and i was disappointed to hear robert saying how playing all those old standards over and over again simply creates such a good feeling that and therefore hinting that he will keep doing it over and over again in the future too.
it also made me afraid that they played the new album in its entirety once so that they can then say "we don't need to play all those songs anymore, we've done it already!" and just keep having 'just like heaven' on repeat for the next five years.
i hope that's not the case.

[splitmilk34]

I can understand the fact that playing the "hits" like JLH, Inbetween Days, etc. creates a good atmosphere for the band (and the fans), but I hope that it really is THE BAND's decision to keep playing these songs and not some fear that diving into the back catalogue would alienate any "fans." 

We've discussed this many times on this forum - I think most of us would love to go to a Cure show and not hear Fascination Stree, Inbetween Days, JLH, FTEOTDGS, etc... I would also LOVE for them to retire "Why Can't I Be You?" forever.  Some of these poppier songs just don't sound as good without the keys (I'm looking at you Lullaby and Plainsong). 

[mahood]

Some of these poppier songs just don't sound as good without the keys (I'm looking at you Lullaby and Plainsong). 

some of them don't sound good live at all, keys or not : i never understood why they keep on playing lullaby or close to me or catch or others that need to stay at home (whatever it is) : quiet, claustrophobic, whispering-in-your-head (playing these in front of 20000 people with a massive sound seems quite paradoxical). or they become something else (because, clearly, they work for many many people), but then, they are just not the great subtile songs they were in the first place.

anyway, i'm afraid we'll never have a chance to experience the new album live, as was already the case with the 2004 album : lots of concerts before it's even released, with a few songs thrown in, and then nothing, and then some festivals where we will hear the same few boring songs from each one : end of the world, the only one & the perfect boy, to name them, while we could hear lost, this morning, the reasons why, the real snow white, the scream etc etc. i see it coming.

of course i was happy to go to the paris concert, but i would have definitely prefered it to be a tour concert, or at least to be able to hear underneath the stars & sleep when i'm dead as was the case during the USA tour (lucky you !!!).

[~*CherryRed*~]

I haven't gotten my copy of the album as yet, as I'm in no real hurry to be honest. I always get 'scared' when a new album comes out, as I have in times past, just hated them (I refer here to Wild Mood Swings, which for me was the worst and I didn't listen to The Cure for at least a year after I listened to it!).

What I wanted to ask people, was where are they getting their VINYL albums from? This question really goes out to the Aussie contingent out there... I have gotten all the VINYL 7" singles thru HMV, but on last look they didn't have the VINYL album listed. I'm going to call JB Hi-Fi later and see what they say. The CD is everywhere now of course, so it's the VINYL I'm concerned about getting.

Let me know you Aussies where your getting your VINYL from! Cheers 

[~*CherryRed*~]

Right well, disregard my last post... I have found it on HMV and have pre-ordered the VINYL.

*yawns*

I work nights now, so mostly I'm still asleep - I'm the awake but sleeping person!

[punx_chix]

Just got my copy's both vinyl and cd format. Thanks to my local record shop(2nd avenue records!)
now..turntable, lyric sheet, and lets see how it does.

GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE.

[japanesebaby]

4:13 dream is already on the "victims of the loudness war" list on amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/tag/victim%20of%20the%20loudness%20war/products/ref=tag_tdp_hd_istp


and completely rightfully so, too.

i actually hope that there will be more alarming publicity like this, the more there is the better. maybe it would make robert to open his eyes - or if it's not his "fault", if there was nothing he couldn't do to prevent this album being mangled and butchered like this, if it was just those morons on geffen/universal who are responsible for this then at least hopefully he will get off geffen/universal as soon as he can.

[cane5]

Three songs that stand out:

Best overall song: 'Reasons why'This song features a upbeat style with a strange and haunting theme Robert style.It gives you a little of the old and the new cure sound.

Best mainstream sound : 'This.Here and now.with you' What a beautiful song.Either you get it or you dont.It cant be judged as a Cure classic but you cant help listening to it over and over again.

Best Cure song with a new touch:'Real Snow White' The song starts out edgy but as it picks up you notice a chorus that changes to something unique.Cant describe it exactly but there is something in this song that is clearly different.

[splitmilk34]

Obviously I picked up the new album as soon as I could yesterday.  I put it in my CD player, put on my headphones and shut my eyes (something I haven't done in a long time - or so it seems).  Here are my thoughts on 4:13 Dream:

Hearing Robert's voice again brings a joy and comfort to my life.  He seems especially excited to be singing these songs.  Underneath the Stars, The Reasons Why, Sirensong, Real Snow White and The Hungry Ghost are standouts.  Unlike the singles, I like the vocal effects Robert chose here.  They add to the song and don't seem to mask any "problems."  I really like the idea of "The Scream" and the bassline for "It's Over."  The production is abysmal... just disheartening.  My ears were fine up to the last 2 tracks.  There are seemingly no instruments in either The Scream or It's Over, just white noise caused by speaker-busting volume boosting.  In fact, the white noise machine used at the end of The Beatles "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" has more clarity than this hack job.  f*ck that sucks.

I love these new songs - don't get me wrong.  I think Robert's songwriting is just as good as ever and feel like a lot of time and effor went into putting these songs together.  That being said, I feel like maybe 5 minutes were spent pre track mixing and producing.  There is no reason for the bass in Sirensong to be so up front, nor is there a reason for the end of It's Over to be a wash of sound.  Regardless of the production I will be listening to this album a lot (albeit with the sound turned down).  I will hold a small candle of hope that the promised "Dark Album" will see a return to production values of old.  Or, as I've said before, the can hire me to mix/engineer/produce it.

[cane5]

I was just listening to 'Hungry Ghost' again and have to say this might be the best song for its lyrics.It sounds great but the message is really special and reveling about how Robert sees the world and puts all of us in the same place wondering about the same things.

[Janko]

4:13 dream is already on the "victims of the loudness war" list on amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/tag/victim%20of%20the%20loudness%20war/products/ref=tag_tdp_hd_istp


and completely rightfully so, too.

i actually hope that there will be more alarming publicity like this, the more there is the better. maybe it would make robert to open his eyes - or if it's not his "fault", if there was nothing he couldn't do to prevent this album being mangled and butchered like this, if it was just those morons on geffen/universal who are responsible for this then at least hopefully he will get off geffen/universal as soon as he can.

I think this overcompression thing is gonna be over one day and in time it will be seen as a "00 sound", just like there was and 80's sound...

Also, there's NO WAY you can fix things like this. You either get used to it or you don't.
 

[japanesebaby]

I think this overcompression thing is gonna be over one day and in time it will be seen as a "00 sound", just like there was and 80's sound...

...you mean just like the latter stages of the reign of certain george w. bush will some day be called "the golden age of world economy"? (you mean that perhaps, when things will et so utterly bad that people will even miss the time when they were forced to live in their cars after losing everything in the recent financial catasptrophy - so likewise, perhaps someday music will become so utterly completely unlistenable crap noise that even a butchered work like 4:13 will seem like a masterpiece(?).
oh how i can't wait to live that long, to see it happen...

sorry but i'd rather take say george w. bush was a truly great president and stateman than start faking that this is some great new "00" sound that we "just have to get used to".

:roll:

Also, there's NO WAY you can fix things like this. You either get used to it or you don't.

makes me think of two things:

1) since i can't change it (alone, myself), i shouldn't even talk about it?

2) i bet you're one those people who also tell everyone that there's no use to vote in any sort elections because it's futile anyway because it's not going to change anything...?

[japanesebaby]

@janko:

sorry but all this "volume compression is part of the 2000's sound" is just complete false statement. volume compresison is NOT something that is being done to ALL music released these days. if it was, then you might perhaps say it's something that is "part of our time". but it's not. it's just that some artists/labels are dumb enough to jump that train, thinking that LOUDER means BETTER.
it's mainly a problem with the genres that are aimed for (so-called) airplay. artists like britney spears and the cure, for instance.
BUT there are lots of artists still out there that are not that silly. there are still lot of music that IS produced well and will be done so - because  there are people who still care about their work. the cure obviously doesn't and it's truly a pity.

anyway, there goes that "2000's" hypothesis.... but it's not the first time i hear people trying to slag the whole volume compression problem off with this kind of "explanation". you know it's a bit similar to how people keep saying there's such thing as "nature of internet", trying to turn a blind eye to some problematic things in there. but there is no such thing. internet is not a living, thinking thing - it's what we make it. similarly, it's the same as people saying you can't change anything in this world and therefore it's no use voting in elections.

it's exactly this kind of defeat mentality that makes things difficult sometimes. the mentality of "ok let's just accept everything although it's kind of crap but hey who cares it's too bothersome to try and make a difference anyway so who cares?".
if there really is something that that's exactly the problem of our modern times, then it's this defeat mentality in so many things:
people getting numb and not really caring much at all anymore.

[Janko]

"OK let's just accept everything although it's kind of crap, but hey, who cares it's too bothersome to try and make a difference anyway, so who cares?".

Those are my thoughts exactly, but I don't feel mentally  defeated at all...

I will always rather be happy than right.

[cane5]

Does anyone know how the album is Selling.