4:13 Dream

[japanesebaby]

Do you've got a link to the review? (I sadly have to agree that the production has getting worse)

sorry i cannot find it online. i guess it was just printed in the magazine. (besides, it wouldn't be in english anyway so it wouldn't help much, to have an online link anyway).

And maybe a bit off topic; is the reviewer a man called Sue?   

haha ok i see the source of the confusion now: no, the magazine is called Sue, not the reviewer.

http://www.sue.fi/

[GreenGhost]

I feel kind of in the middle about 4:13 Dream.  It certainly does have some great ones... UTS, Hungry Ghost, Switch, Siresong, etc  and it often does capture essences of past recordings as some have said.  But, as a whole I really do need more slow/dark ones from The Cure besides UTS.  I really need those on there to feel like a solid Cure album, helps break things up if you will and those are always my favorite ones.  Overall though it's good to hear them writing these kinds of songs again despite the horrid sound quality which is unfortunately evident even with the vinyl.

[tigermilk]

To be honest, I haven't listened to 4:13 Dream for weeks.

I'd rather bless my ears with something like Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me, rather than hurt them with 4:13 Dream.

[lostflower4]

And maybe a bit off topic; is the reviewer a man called Sue?   

haha ok i see the source of the confusion now: no, the magazine is called Sue, not the reviewer.

C'mon guys, you never heard this song before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIMgEEASoWQ

[japanesebaby]

To be honest, I haven't listened to 4:13 Dream for weeks.

I'd rather bless my ears with something like Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me, rather than hurt them with 4:13 Dream.

i'm not fond of pain either.
to be honest, i haven't even listened to the new album in its entirety yet.
this doesn't really bother me, although it's not that i'm exactly proud of it either.
i suppose i just don't think i'm missing awfully much. so when i want to listen to something.

the old cure albums don't sound any less great to me than they used to, so i don't let the new album ruin my enjoyment of them.

C'mon guys, you never heard this song before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIMgEEASoWQ

perhaps!

[Harvestry of Ghosts]

Hmmmmm... wondering when the 'Ask Robert' questions will be answered, if ever. And if they are - if he will respond to the mastering/mixing issue (I don't believe it to be a production thing whatsoever). I'm still upset about it becaue I just simply cannot listen to the album no matter how much I like (or dislike) the songs themselves.

[Chain Of Flowers]

Hello.   

I am new here. I was given a flyer for this place by someone outside The Bercy in Paris earlier in the year, and registered when i got back to London, then appear to have forgotten to come back.  Oops!

It's interesting to read the opinions of other Cure fans on the new album.

Personally I didn't have much expectation because of the quality of the self titled album, and the fact that the Cure sound without keys isn't what I consider classic Cure sound.  That and the fact that I thought all the singles from 4:13 Dream were also awful, so I wasn't really disappointed because I expected it to not be very good.

I think the strongest song on the album is 'Underneath The Stars', it has more of the typical Cure sound, like Plainsong but without all the keys.  What lets it down, and the album as a whole, is the production.  I find that Robert's voice is too loud in the mix in some places, and the drums sound weak, and in places the guitars sound a bit messy.  It's almost like none of the songs on it are special enough to stand out on their own, and what I can hear in them is of course older ideas recycled and done half heartedly.

It's not as bad as the last album IMO, but not much better either.  It's growing on me a little with time, but only because I am trying to force it/get used to it.

It is a shame that The Cure no longer do what they do best.  Only the other day I was listening to Join The Dots and thinking that some of those Wish era B sides would make up a fantastic album on their own.  If only Robert could could come up with that beautiful sound again, and apply it to what he writes these days, The Cure might be able to regain some of the magic that they lost.

[~*CherryRed*~]

Well I reckon they all need to take up smoking pot again...

[fiction]

I also have some difficulties to listen through the whole dream-album. It gives me a headache and after hearing the most of the songs live I came to realise that there is no need for this pain at all. A re-mix of the album woukd maybe do the trick.

[tigermilk]

I also have some difficulties to listen through the whole dream-album. It gives me a headache and after hearing the most of the songs live I came to realise that there is no need for this pain at all. A re-mix of the album woukd maybe do the trick.

I agree, the production sucks. Especially on The Hungry Ghost, it hurts my ears, as does the whole album. I always have to turn the treble down. I think the self titled album sounded much better. The songs on 4:13 are good, but the production lets them down big time :(

[alt.end]

a reviewer (someone i believe does know a thing or two about the cure indeed) in a local music paper called (Sue) wrote about the contradictory nature of 4:13.
how 'underneath the stars' represents the best cure for quite some time but how all that wonderfulness is being delivered in a form of a wall of sound

"which is like a copy of a copy of an audience recording of a soundcheck, just moments before the guy behind the micxing desk shouts "stop the playing! all settings wrong!""
(my translation)

a fitting description.
in the very beginning of the review the reviewer also said how he first thought that her kid been toyying with the EQ settings of the stereo amplifier and gotten them all upside down and wrong - but was surprised to find that wasn't the case, there was indeed nothing wrong with his stereo.

other quotes:
"robert smith still has the capability to lead his team through a studio session and produce great material in the process, but his good judgement what comes to the studio treatment of the material has started to sink with age."

I think that's quite fair, except that she mention his age. That gets me pissed.

a he, not a she.

about the age reference: i think it would make more sense if i had translated the whole review and not just quoted some segments. because the reviewer also first pointed out how the previous album ('the cure') already had a weird production and how this new one has even weirder. therefore one can can understand the comment. so i´don't think it was intended as age racism (considering the way he put it and the context it was in, i actually didn't get that kind of idea at all myself when i read it). i think it was just an observation concerning the production of the last (two) albums - which, for fairness sake, really has been gotten worse. there's no denying that.

Do you've got a link to the review? (I sadly have to agree that the production has getting worse)

And maybe a bit off topic; is the reviewer a man called Sue?   

i must agree that the sound is shit. but it has nothing to do with age! look at killers or bloc party or kings of leon. they all had the best sound on the debuts, now it's getting worse and worse. still good songs, but the sound and master sound kinda flat...

[nadia-domingos]

I like 4:13 dream. it is yet growing in my. i like it.

[PAOKCURE]

A letter to Robert about 4:13 Dream.

Dear Robert,

"I will tell on my return just how it is".
I was "full of wishes, want, dreams and desires".
In the beginning I thought... hmm "we're on the edge of a beautiful thing"   
And finally "Your voice inside my head" again. And "I love what you do to my head".
"You sang, you sang, you sang" and "I am falling through the stars. I remember now". Oh "I can't believe it, I must be dreaming"
"Everything I ever dared forget is here". Once again "You've got what I need".
"I scream there isn't any other this... is not a dream" Unfortunately "It's over... It's always f*cking over". And "I will never satisfy my hungry ghost"



Seriously... beautiful album

[thegoouch]

the new album is ok T BEST.i dont care for the lyrics as much as other albums.
its got a feel of heavy that i dont care for either.but, its way better than most of that "alternitive" band you hear now.i look forward to the dark songs, not the
onlyone freakshow stuff of the  new album

[mothtoaflame]

It's amazing! If you listen to it enough, it begins to sound like a concept album.