Why Robert resung many of the of the "rarities" in the Deluxe editions?

[lostflower4]

for the life of me i just can't understand why robert would need to try ad hide the fact that they are resung. it really bothers me for some reason 
(heh at least now i know what to post on the thread "what one question would you ask of robert if you got the chance?" )

Great idea, I'd love to see the look on his face! 

It really bothers me too, that he's taking his fans for fools like that.  And I also don't understand the necessity of it. Assuming some true guide vocals really exist for these songs I think we could forgive him for them being less then perfect as they were DEMOS. And if they don't exist, or are unusable for whatever reason, then why not just release them as instrumentals?  It makes no sense at all.

I'm especially curious about the the Glove stuff, whether he really recorded vocals for all the songs back then. But I guess we'll never know, since according to Robert and Steve Severin those were the original vocals. 

Trying to see something positive, and I know I've already said something to this effect before... But I'm very glad that some of my favorite demos on the Disintegration remaster were pure instrumentals (because we know what the alternative is   ).

What would have been REALLY awful was if he re-recorded the live soundboard vocals on the recent deluxe versions, including Dallas '89. Can you imagine?

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I'm especially curious about the the Glove stuff, whether he really recorded vocals for all the songs back then. But I guess we'll never know, since according to Robert and Steve Severin those were the original vocals. 

As far as I remember, the first one who spoke about Blue Sunshine's remaster was Steven Severin on in website. I was happy to read that by then, even if he warned fans... I can't quote him exactly, it's all based on memory, but he said something like "We will be working soon with Robert on the remaster but still wonder if it will be a 2-CD release, given there certainly won't be enough material to fill in CD #2"... Shame is his site changed and was totally revamped since, and I can't find the info anymore.

More : I remember reading that they had all the difficulties of the world having Jeannette Landray singing because they had no "guide vocal" by then (again, I may be totally wrong, can't find where I read that either...).

Last but not least : Andy Anderson was recently interviewed by the French forum "Apinkdream.org". His statement is rather diplomatic on the vocal demoes : "I have had a listen to the tracks, the only one that sounds like the original album version is "Punish me with kisses" The rest of the tracks I really like them, all other songs have been remixed, (this is what it sounds like to me) I think personally that R&S should do another album, because I think that it is a great sound, Roberts voice sounds really sounds great to me these days. The tracks on the Alice in Wonderland track, I really love too. Also if you need to find out more about the tracks you should try and contact Robert and Steve, because I was only involved in the original recorded album and I think that most of the tracks had a drum machine on them anyway."

So all in all, I was really surprised when I first listened to the demoes. I didn't expect them at all. And the disappointement was greater than the surprise : for sure tvocals were recorded only for the purpose of having a 2-CD release, no doubt.

I have not paid much attention to the other remasters CD # 2. I'll give a listen to the songs you have doubts about. But then again, I wouldn't be surprised you're right saying that some were recorded (at least vocals) just for the sake of having something to fill in the CD.

Fools ?

And by the way : yeah, Entreat Plus sounds like a slaughter... Listen to the synth on "Pictures of you". I don't mind having overdubs on a live capture, that's a thing no-one can avoid. But having an out-of-sync synth on "Entreat Plus" where the original recording sounded good is pretty annoying. Also, on this song, the treatment made to the synth is awful : sounds like all spatializing effects (chrous and delay) have been rubbed off... So I agree the sound of the drums have been badly treated, but what happened to the synth ???

[dsanchez]

I think this is a very interesting topic that we should slipt in two topics, maybe the new one would be "Why Robert re-sung some songs from the Deluxe editions?" Or maybe you guys have a better idea.

I don't think he's trying to make us fool as the re-sung versions are evident to any fan who knows how Robert's voice was back in the '80s. I'm just surprised that no-one else has noticed that (I have Google a bit and no other site seems to point this out)

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I think this is a very interesting topic that we should slipt in two topics, maybe the new one would be "Why Robert re-sung some songs from the Deluxe edtiions?" Or maybe you guys have a better idea.

I don't mind about opening another topic. You're the boss. Ahahahhahah !

I don't think he's trying to make us fool as the re-sung versions are evident to any fan who knows how Robert's voice was back in the '80s. I'm just surprised that no-one else has noticed that (I have Google a bit and no other site seems to point this out)

Making fools of us is not really the question. Honest people will acknowledge that Robert's voice sounds time irrelevant on some demoes (other fans won't, but then again, they are the ones who claim that "Rob is god"...). What's more annoying is that the songs are labelled as "original studio stuff", which is not the case, for sure.

Now, even rarer. I've a version of "Delirious night" without lyrics... I was pretty surprised to find there were some "lyrics" added on the Disintegration remaster. 

[dsanchez]

I don't mind about opening another topic. You're the boss. Ahahahhahah !

I'm not the boss, members dictate the direction of a Web forum or the direction of this particular topic

Making fools of us is not really the question.

I don't have any original remaster to be honest, but if you have them and the songs are labeled as "original studio" stuff then someone is definitely trying to treat us like fools. And I was asking that question because it seems this is the question everyone has been asking themselves. I wonder what was in Robert's mind when he did that

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someone

Guess who ?

I wonder what was in Robert's mind when he did that

I don't. Not anymore...

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The demo versions of A Thousand Hours, Icing Sugar, and One More Time all have re-sung vocals. 

These are labelled "Studio alternative remix". I listened to them again. To be honest, I would not be so sure about these ones. The sound treatment of the voice is really weird, for sure (like it's processed in a phasing effect). But they really sound less doubtful than "Blue Sunshine" demoes or this "Delirious night" I talked about.

[japanesebaby]

I don't think he's trying to make us fool as the re-sung versions are evident to any fan who knows how Robert's voice was back in the '80s. I'm just surprised that no-one else has noticed that (I have Google a bit and no other site seems to point this out)

i agree it's a very good example of how much people rely on the booklet notes: if it says they are old demos from the 80s, most people buy that and never really ope their ears to really listen. now, i'm not saying people are all dumb if they don't listen and notice. it's more like a good example how much we tend to trust what we read - even "overtrust" it. if it says so in the booklet then we hear it that way too.
written word is in such a high value in our world.