Hi, is there a remastered version of Disintegration existing since the release in 1989. I do not mean a deluxe editon ...
Quote from: cure89 on January 12, 2009, 14:04:37
Hi, is there a remastered version of Disintegration existing since the release in 1989. I do not mean a deluxe editon ...
I don't think there is. But that Delxe Version might be out soon. Totally looking forward to it.
i've been waiting for the deluxe edition of disintegration for so long :( i cant stand it haha. didnt the others come out in like 2006?
Yeah, it would be fantastic if Robert & co would release a deluxe edition of Disintegration this year. I kinda think that the sound quality of the ol' disintegration cd is a bit weak in sound nowadays.. Please don't hate me for saying that though!! Haha
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 17:46:25
Yeah, it would be fantastic if Robert & co would release a deluxe edition of Disintegration this year. I kinda think that the sound quality of the ol' disintegration cd is a bit weak in sound nowadays.. Please don't hate me for saying that though!! Haha
well i don't think anyone should hate you for that. :)
although i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "weak", though. that it's not loud enough? well, that's why you have the volume switch/button, don't you think - just turn it up! ;) that's the secret of the great sound on 'disintegration', that you need to turn it up to hear how great it sounds.
i really think that the sound on 'disintegration' is pretty much as good as it can get, anywhere. it's one of those best sounding albums out there...
i'm looking forward to the deluxe edition too, but mainly because of the bonus cd (which i hope will have some nice surprises/gems). because after the totally murdered/murderous-to-your-ears sound of '4:13 dream', i'm actually a bit afraid how the remastered 'disintegration' will sound like. if they'll murder it too (by boosting up the volume too much), it'll be totally and thoroughly unforgivable. because they'd be disfiguring a true beauty there.
but let's hope for the best...
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 19, 2009, 18:01:43
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 17:46:25
Yeah, it would be fantastic if Robert & co would release a deluxe edition of Disintegration this year. I kinda think that the sound quality of the ol' disintegration cd is a bit weak in sound nowadays.. Please don't hate me for saying that though!! Haha
i don't hate you for saying that. :)
not exactly sure what you mean by "weak", though. that it's not loud enough? well, that's why you have the volume switch, don't you think - just turn it up! ;)
because i really think that the sound on 'disintegration' is pretty much as good as it can get, anywhere. it's one of those best sounding albums out there...
i'm looking forward to the deluxe edition too, but mainly because of the bonus cd (which i hope will have some nice surprises/gems). because after the totally murdered/murderous-to-your-ears sound of '4:13 dream', i'm actually a bit afraid how the remastered 'disintegration' will sound like. if they'll murder it too (by boosting up the volume too much), it'll be totally and thoroughly unforgivable. because they'd be disfiguring a true beauty there.
but let's hope for the best...
It's not as loud as it was intended to be. The sound is kinda distant.. At least on my cd., maybe it's damaged?!? :eek:
I mean, the album itself is absolutely beautiful, I'm proud of owning it. It's just that I think the sound is a bit distant..
Yeah, I would love to hear some demos, or even some unreleased songs from that period! I agree about your statement regarding the 4:13 sound, it was a bit too loud..
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:09:23
It's not as loud as it was intended to be. The sound is kinda distant.. At least on my cd., maybe it's damaged?!? :eek:
I remember when Disintegration was released that the rewievers used to say that this cd was the cd you need to tune in your stereo. They were absolutely enchanted by the immaculate sound of that cd-version. I agree to that but I found the vinyl version a bit inferior to the cd-version and could agree to that the sound of the vinyl-version is a bit "week".
Quote from: fiction on May 19, 2009, 18:14:52
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:09:23
It's not as loud as it was intended to be. The sound is kinda distant.. At least on my cd., maybe it's damaged?!? :eek:
I remember when Disintegration was released that the rewievers used to say that this cd was the cd you need to tune in your stereo. They were absolutely enchanted by the immaculate sound of that cd-version. I agree to that but I found the vinyl version a bit inferior to the cd-version and could agree to that the sound of the vinyl-version is a bit "week".
Hm, that's interesting. I haven't got the chance to listen to vinyl version yet.
I disovered some differences when I listened to Pictures of you on the Galore cd.
It was much more louder, and not distant at all. Whereas on disintegration, it was kinda distant.. well, that's in my opinion!
But then again, maybe they wanted it to be tuned down, so that you the listener HAD to turn the volume up in order to hear something.. It's interesting if that really was the case here.
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:09:23
It's not as loud as it was intended to be. The sound is kinda distant.. At least on my cd., maybe it's damaged?!? :eek:
I mean, the album itself is absolutely beautiful, I'm proud of owning it. It's just that I think the sound is a bit distant..
well i guess they could boost it up a bit without still ending up damaging it (i'm not at home right now so i can't relaly check how much exactly). but considering how insane the volume boost of many albums is nowadays, i'm simply afraid they won't leave it to that but will end up hurting that album real bad...
anyway i don't find that distant sound a problem. because i think you find that it's not distant at all if you just turn the volume up(?). then you have a really spacious, great, warm and full sound, with depth of dynamics that you don't seem to find with any new albums these days (sadly). it's radiant and simply beautiful.
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:09:23
I agree about your statement regarding the 4:13 sound, it was a bit too loud..
"a bit" - i think it was insanely too loud, it's just one big block of looud noise, with no subtle qualities at all. even the quiet passages on it sound LOUD. so it's completely murdered, unfortunately. i really regret that a lot because i think it would be a pretty ok album, actually. i often find myself wanting to listen it a lot more but then find myself not doing it because it would just make me sad and the noise would make me uncomfortable, not at all like it should be, not at all enjoyable. that's a pretty unfortunate: to find yourself in a situation where you'd really want to listen to something but don't do it because it would be painful (literally).
what a shame.
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 19, 2009, 18:19:26
["a bit" - i think it was insanely too loud, it's just one big block of looud noise, with no subtle qualities at all.
He he. This is one of the least poisoned outburst from You according that little mishap in an otherwise brilliant catalogue. :smth023
Quote from: fiction on May 19, 2009, 18:14:52
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:09:23
It's not as loud as it was intended to be. The sound is kinda distant.. At least on my cd., maybe it's damaged?!? :eek:
I remember when Disintegration was released that the rewievers used to say that this cd was the cd you need to tune in your stereo. They were absolutely enchanted by the immaculate sound of that cd-version. I agree to that but I found the vinyl version a bit inferior to the cd-version and could agree to that the sound of the vinyl-version is a bit "week".
that's true. i think 'disintegration' is one of those albums that mark the turning point where the cds really proved to win over vinyl. no wonder vinyl started to lose the war to cds around that time. the ironic thing is that today many people have started to go back to vinyl because well-done vinyl productions beat most cd productions of today 6-0 (or more like 20-0). so no wonder vinyl has started to come back in recent years.
i agree about the 'disintegration' cd version sounding better than the vinyl version. some original cd releases from the late 80's/early 90's are REALLY very good. you get a glimpse of how cds really should sound like. it's really a crime, the situation we're in today, where almost every new cd sounds more or less like some flat crap.
i really hate to be someone who sounds like wishing back the good old times, but in this case i admit i really wish that...
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:19:16
I disovered some differences when I listened to Pictures of you on the Galore cd.
It was much more louder, and not distant at all. Whereas on disintegration, it was kinda distant..
but have you tried really checking if there's any other difference in quality than the volume? i mean, take both versions (the original and the one on 'galore'), then boost the original enough to match the 'galore' version - then listen to both with same volume settings.
do you hear any difference in quality?
you must remember that if the distant sound simply means lover volume levels on the cd, it still doesn't mean there were any less detail there. just turn the volume up and you should hear all the same details. with analog sources (cassette, vinyl) it's different because there's background noise/hum/hiss that also gets' boosted up when you turn up the volume. then i'd agree that distant sound on the original can actually mean lower quality. but with a digital source like a cd, what background hiss could there be?
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 19, 2009, 18:32:13
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:19:16
I disovered some differences when I listened to Pictures of you on the Galore cd.
It was much more louder, and not distant at all. Whereas on disintegration, it was kinda distant..
but have you tried really checking if there's any other difference in quality than the volume? i mean, take both versions (the original and the one on 'galore'), then boost the original enough to match the 'galore' version - then listen to both with same volume settings.
do you hear any difference in quality?
you must remember that if the distant sound simply means lover volume levels on the cd, it still doesn't mean there were any less detail there. just turn the volume up and you should hear all the same details. with analog sources (cassette, vinyl) it's different because there's background noise/hum/hiss that also gets' boosted up when you turn up the volume. then i'd agree that distant sound on the original can actually mean lower quality. but with a digital source like a cd, what background hiss could there be?
Oh, ok. I'm gonna try it out later on! ;) That might be the case, or it's just my speakers or my cd's that's broken..
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:35:41
That might be the case, or it's just my speakers or my cd's that's broken..
i guess it could be your speakers/stereo system settings. if the maximum possible volume limit on your stereo system is somehow set too low then you can never get the volume that albums like 'disintegration' "needs" out of your system. i don't know how the volume would be set too low though, since i don't know what sort of system you have there. just saying that it's theoretically all possible.
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 19, 2009, 18:48:47
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:35:41
That might be the case, or it's just my speakers or my cd's that's broken..
i guess it could be your speakers/stereo system settings. if the maximum possible volume limit on your stereo system is somehow set too low then you can never get the volume that albums like 'disintegration' "needs" out of your system. i don't know how the volume would be set too low though, since i don't know what sort of system you have there. just saying that it's theoretically all possible.
Ok. So I checked out the differences between the Pictures of you versions now. They were both played very loud and I noticed there wasn't much difference after all.. But, if I turned down the volume a bit there were some minor differences actually.. The version on disintegration was indeed a bit distant compared to the Galore version. On the disintegration sleeve it says ; "This music has been mixed to be played loud so turn it up". That might explain it all.
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:54:41
On the disintegration sleeve it says ; "This music has been mixed to be played loud so turn it up". That might explain it all.
See? There are small tags all around us which simply are there to let us live our lives as smooth as possible. :lol:
Now! Enjoy!
Quote from: fiction on May 19, 2009, 19:04:15
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:54:41
On the disintegration sleeve it says ; "This music has been mixed to be played loud so turn it up". That might explain it all.
See? There are small tags all around us which simply are there to let us live our lives as smooth as possible. :lol:
Now! Enjoy!
:lol: That is true! Cheers
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 19:08:21
:lol: That is true! Cheers
I´ll tip an IPA for you. Cheers
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:54:41
Ok. So I checked out the differences between the Pictures of you versions now. They were both played very loud and I noticed there wasn't much difference after all.. But, if I turned down the volume a bit there were some minor differences actually.. The version on disintegration was indeed a bit distant compared to the Galore version. On the disintegration sleeve it says ; "This music has been mixed to be played loud so turn it up". That might explain it all.
ps. not sure how you did end up checking it. anyway i meant lining both tracks side by side in an audio editor and boosting the volume with a hard limiter, thus producing a "volume boost remastered" version of the original 'picture of you' . then compare that waveform to that of the 'galore' version.
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 19, 2009, 19:39:55
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:54:41
Ok. So I checked out the differences between the Pictures of you versions now. They were both played very loud and I noticed there wasn't much difference after all.. But, if I turned down the volume a bit there were some minor differences actually.. The version on disintegration was indeed a bit distant compared to the Galore version. On the disintegration sleeve it says ; "This music has been mixed to be played loud so turn it up". That might explain it all.
ps. not sure how you did end up checking it. anyway i meant lining both tracks side by side in an audio editor and boosting the volume with a hard limiter, thus producing a "volume boost remastered" version of the original 'picture of you' . then compare that waveform to that of the 'galore' version.
Ah, well I didn't do that. I just played them one at the time on my computer. LOUD!
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 19:43:00
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 19, 2009, 19:39:55
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:54:41
Ok. So I checked out the differences between the Pictures of you versions now. They were both played very loud and I noticed there wasn't much difference after all.. But, if I turned down the volume a bit there were some minor differences actually.. The version on disintegration was indeed a bit distant compared to the Galore version. On the disintegration sleeve it says ; "This music has been mixed to be played loud so turn it up". That might explain it all.
ps. not sure how you did end up checking it. anyway i meant lining both tracks side by side in an audio editor and boosting the volume with a hard limiter, thus producing a "volume boost remastered" version of the original 'picture of you' . then compare that waveform to that of the 'galore' version.
Ah, well I didn't do that. I just played them one at the time on my computer. LOUD!
ok that's not what i meant then. to be able to make a proper detailed comparison there you'd need to check them on an audio editor, by boosting the sounds to match each other.
playing them LOUD is not the same because you might just end up distorting either of the versions, especially if you used your computer speakers(?).
of perhaps you did use headphones anyway.
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 19, 2009, 19:49:12
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 19:43:00
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 19, 2009, 19:39:55
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:54:41
Ok. So I checked out the differences between the Pictures of you versions now. They were both played very loud and I noticed there wasn't much difference after all.. But, if I turned down the volume a bit there were some minor differences actually.. The version on disintegration was indeed a bit distant compared to the Galore version. On the disintegration sleeve it says ; "This music has been mixed to be played loud so turn it up". That might explain it all.
ps. not sure how you did end up checking it. anyway i meant lining both tracks side by side in an audio editor and boosting the volume with a hard limiter, thus producing a "volume boost remastered" version of the original 'picture of you' . then compare that waveform to that of the 'galore' version.
Ah, well I didn't do that. I just played them one at the time on my computer. LOUD!
ok that's not what i meant then. to be able to make a proper detailed comparison there you'd need to check them on an audio editor, by boosting the sounds to match each other.
playing them LOUD is not the same because you might just end up distorting either of the versions, especially if you used your computer speakers(?).
of perhaps you did use headphones anyway.
Well, yeah. I used my computer speakers when I tested the differences ;)
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 20:01:51
Well, yeah. I used my computer speakers when I tested the differences ;)
i don't know about your computer speakers but mine are horrible!!! everything sounds pretty messed up. by the way i know what you mean when you say it sounds a bit distant just that i think it suits disintegration and makes it even better... really a great cd and i hope the don't ruin it by 'remastering'
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 20:01:51
Well, yeah. I used my computer speakers when I tested the differences ;)
pc or mac? ;) :-D
I'm a bit confused here... How can you really compare the sound of the original Disintegration version and the one on Galore? The Galore version is the single mix, which is a completely different thing. Of course it sounds different. Very different! ;)
However, one could compare the sound of the original CD single vs. Galore, which was "remastered". Of course, the latter was compressed to be louder, although that's hardly any kind of real improvement. :roll:
Quote from: lostflower4 on May 21, 2009, 06:54:07
I'm a bit confused here... How can you really compare the sound of the original Disintegration version and the one on Galore? The Galore version is the single mix, which is a completely different thing. Of course it sounds different. Very different! ;)
you're absolutely right. heh you caught me, 'galore' is the only cure album release i don't own. i never thought it necessary to buy it because there's nothing on it that i don't already have elsewhere. that's why i also totally forgot that the version of 'pictures of you' is a single mix (although i should have known of course, it's the single mix that's used on the video too).
anyway it's a very different version from the original indeed!
Quote from: lostflower4 on May 21, 2009, 06:54:07
I'm a bit confused here... How can you really compare the sound of the original Disintegration version and the one on Galore? The Galore version is the single mix, which is a completely different thing. Of course it sounds different. Very different! ;)
However, one could compare the sound of the original CD single vs. Galore, which was "remastered". Of course, the latter was compressed to be louder, although that's hardly any kind of real improvement. :roll:
Because the mixing is a bit different. The galore version is a litte bit shorter and a bit less distant in terms of sound..
Quote from: Simon on May 21, 2009, 11:38:28
Quote from: lostflower4 on May 21, 2009, 06:54:07
I'm a bit confused here... How can you really compare the sound of the original Disintegration version and the one on Galore? The Galore version is the single mix, which is a completely different thing. Of course it sounds different. Very different! ;)
However, one could compare the sound of the original CD single vs. Galore, which was "remastered". Of course, the latter was compressed to be louder, although that's hardly any kind of real improvement. :roll:
Because the mixing is a bit different. The galore version is a litte bit shorter and a bit less distant in terms of sound..
i think lostflower4 was trying to say that that is exactly why you can't compare the two the way you have, because the mixing is indeed different.
in any case, you should use proper speakers or headphones. computer speakers are way too bad to be trusted/to make any observations or judgements about the sound quality on any cd.
Quote from: lostflower4 on May 21, 2009, 06:54:07
I'm a bit confused here... How can you really compare the sound of the original Disintegration version and the one on Galore? The Galore version is the single mix, which is a completely different thing. Of course it sounds different. Very different! ;)
However, one could compare the sound of the original CD single vs. Galore, which was "remastered". Of course, the latter was compressed to be louder, although that's hardly any kind of real improvement. :roll:
I actually prefer the extended single version (The 8-Minute one on the 12" Single) of Pictures more than the album version. I hope they include that on the Deluxe edition.
Intesting reactions on "Disintegration Deluxe" ...
http://www.thecure.com/blog/default.aspx?nid=25518&cmnt=1#s_comments_anchor (http://www.thecure.com/blog/default.aspx?nid=25518&cmnt=1#s_comments_anchor)
Interested comment posted by someone called "postpunk" at thecure.com
Can't say nothing yet coz I don't have the Deluxe edition.
QuoteFirstly the positive...superb remastering on the main album. Absolutely sublime. Secondly the negative..My dear Robert you have achieved something which I don't think any other artist/band/producer/remixer has achieved before you have managed to make a remixed album sound worse than it's original. I of course am refering to Entreat Plus. It was the first disc i put into the player and I wept...with distraught and sadness...not joy. What have you done to Boris' beautiful signature snare drum sound...that classic deep snare that was so crucial to the bands live sound at the time...and one of the key elements of what made the original Entreat so stunning. I thought the idea of adding Entreat to the delux Disintegration was so people who didn't experience the band on the Prayer tour (and I did luckily enough), could get an idea of just how majestic the band sounded at that time. Now we have a recording of the same band but with Boris playing a snare drum made out of a second hand Jacobs biscuits tin...and played in a different room. Drums aside ...where has the clarity gone ? Closedown (which is the most bearable because there's no snare in it) sounds muddy....the rhythm guitar line in Fascination street has disappeared.. i'm am so disappointed that such a hatchet job has been done on, in my opinion, one of the best albums in the Cure's catalogue. (I'm only talking Entreat here) I can accept you have wanted a different snare sound since WMS. The flat lifeless snare is not appealing to me, but I accept things must change otherwise you stagnate, and at the end of the day,you can do what you like...it's your music after all....but to go back to such a stunningly mixed album and make it worse, is just flabbergasting.. much love for many many years of quality music but Entreat Plus has left a bitter taste in my mouth