clapping instructions

[japanesebaby]

this is funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5KTlBQzYSs

it can be SOOOO difficult to do 5/4 

[scatcat]

I loved it! 



if only bob would talk more to the crowd?? 

[japanesebaby]

if only bob would talk more to the crowd?? 

uh, oh god please no no no... the day he starts babbling to the crowds i think i might stop listening to their live stuff.
i've always had a speacial appreciation towards him for not babbling between the tracks.

generally i hate babbling performers: they remind me of bono - which is not a plus to anyone, not at all.
for instance, i went to marilyn manson two days ago and one thing i found totally out of place there was his damn babbling. at first i couldn't almost believe it, it was so damn out of place. he should just shut up and do his stuff and be done with it. but instead, he was putting up things like an ages old idiotic shouting/loudness competition between left and right sides of the audience - that was the lousiest thing ever.

ol' bob used to tell these famous jokes back in the late 80s/early 90s. ive always thought even those felt somehow out of place and like a waste of time, although they certainly weren't a typical kind of babbling with the crowds.
but i think he's a lot better if he keeps his mouth shut between the songs...


i think this particular case was funny because it was completely random, one-off thing. but if they'd ever do it twice, it would turn into something utterly stupid.

[scatcat]

hehe    you're right..don't want another Bono!!   

[Lady]

Ehmmmm....
I think it would be better without clapping...

[Janko]

generally i hate babbling performers: they remind me of bono - which is not a plus to anyone, not at all.

I CONCUR.

[Lady]

We need to distinguish two different ways to talk to the crowd...Bono talks about peace, love, africa's problems during the concerts, while this singer is almost ridiculous...please don't confuse chocolate and sh*t, as we say in italy!!

[scatcat]

aaghh.. I have fallen asleep at 2 U2 concerts in my life... I don't really remember bono talking about world peace or love.. but I remember his attitude on stage.. 

I remember at the Melb. concert.. with Robert only saying "Thank you".. I was yelling :  "Thank YOU!!" He was very quiet in relating to the crowd.. but that is The Cure.. 

please don't confuse chocolate and sh*t, as we say in italy!!

this is apt!!   

[japanesebaby]

We need to distinguish two different ways to talk to the crowd...Bono talks about peace, love, africa's problems during the concerts, while this singer is almost ridiculous...please don't confuse chocolate and sh*t, as we say in italy!!

hell, i'd surely rather listen to this guy than bono: at least this guy is teaching the public something useful and not just babbling. sdon'ät get me wrong but i think it's really easy to babble about africa, peace love and all the world's problems - there's nothing special in that. maybe it was something new in 1984 but it's lost all it's potency by now, for sure.
and agian, don't get me wrong: there's nothing bad about peace and love as such - important, yes it is... but babbling about it on stage in a rock concert is just a lifeless habit today. it's just as stereotyped and manieristic as doing some "good ol' genuine rock moves and poses on stage: it has just as much message and content as that.
i mean honestly, a multi-millionaire bono babbling about the starving kids in afraica, year after year after year after...if he really does care about that cause so much, then why doesn't he give ALL his freaking money to make things better down there in africa? but no of course he won't - because babbling about those things is just part of his stage act. so in my opinion, he is just as good as someone who is just using all those starving people to promote his own cause.
that's all - sadly.

i still hate babblers and i'm not defending this guy in particular, but at least in this case something extraordinary and surprising seemed to happen and the babble that came out of it was a reaction to that, not some rock-act designed well ahead.

maybe i could stand bono a bit more if he started moving into this direction? hmmm... not sure.
anyway, about chocolate and shit, i agree - but i think it's the other way round...

[Lady]

aaghh.. I have fallen asleep at 2 U2 concerts in my life... I don't really remember bono talking about world peace or love.. but I remember his attitude on stage.. 

Hey scat, are you sure it was a u2's concert??  

Yes, I love when robert says his "thank you"!!!!!!! :roll:

[scatcat]

aaghh.. I have fallen asleep at 2 U2 concerts in my life... I don't really remember bono talking about world peace or love.. but I remember his attitude on stage.. 

Hey scat, are you sure it was a u2's concert??  

YES ABSOLUTELTY!! I have 2 sisters into U2.. I have always been into The Cure, they took me along, and my sis was soo pi##sed at me for falling asleep, at the Entertainment Centre in Melb, about mid '80's, then later on in mid 90's... boring.. yawn..

I still have nightmares about bono's ultra-ego in the 90's with his sunglasses..what was that??!! 

[japanesebaby]

heyyyyyy guys let's not make this a bono-thread ok?
and i take the blame for that derailing, since i was the first to mention bono, but let me just add that i think we miss the point here if we start talking too much about peace and love and whether it's ok to talk about that. BUT that's completely a different thing than what this example was about: this is about clapping (and uneven beats).
the singer's point to start babbling/chatting on stage was not because he even wanted to have something to babble as such. the point here was the uneven beat of 5/4 (just listen to the music there!) :!:
now, anyone's supposed to know how to clap to the rock music - of course. and yet, some dudes in the audience obviously got confused because of the 5/4 beat and it became all funny.
see? that's the point and that's why i posted it. because of the 5/4 confusion... because i simply find it pretty funny that some people can clap to 3/4 or 4/4 but get instantly mixed up when it's 5/4 or 7/4 - that's just hilarious! poor guys, they probably don't have all their... let's say, their "rhythm marbles" intact hahaha

clapclapclapclapclap 

[scatcat]

yes of course, back on track.. the clapping bit is still making me giggle.. only because I still don't have my 'marbles' ... I get lost in time.. 3/4, even 4/4.. as soon as something distracts me .. I'm GONE!! 

let alone 5/4... 

[Lady]

@japanesebaby: First of all welcome back!

I really don't care very much if an artist talks or doesn't talk during a concert, because the quality of his music is the most important thing (and I really wouldn't love Bono if he was just an "orator" without any talent)...but I think there's nothing bad when an artist wants to communicate with his audience, especially about important themes and if this behaviour can make people sensitive to these problems, imo it's a good thing. :smth001

[japanesebaby]

yes of course, back on track.. the clapping bit is still making me giggle.. only because I still don't have my 'marbles' ... I get lost in time.. 3/4, even 4/4.. as soon as something distracts me .. I'm GONE!! 

let alone 5/4... 

hehe ok... but i mean, if people can easily count up to five (or six or seven) - as most of us surrely can - then why not just clap five times ( clap-one clap-two clap-three clap-four clap-five) - and that's it! that's 5/4 - so there's nothing difficult in it at all: just count to five and clap once with every number, then start again - it couldn't be easier, really.
but i really think people just get confused in advance, even before trying it, because people somehow tend to think that 5/4 is "supposed to be difficult" - just because it's an uneven beat. but it's really not! something like 3/8 + 3/4 + 5/8 + 9/16 is something that craves concentration, yes: but 5/4 is simply the same kind of clapping as is 4/4 and as is every kind of rock concert clapping. it's.... just clapping, that's all you have to do, believe me! ;P

but that predetermined confusion about something that is not even really complicated if you just try it out once is what caused the funny situation there in the video... i suppose the guys in the band had a good laugh too.