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Started by cure89, January 12, 2009, 14:04:37

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cure89

Hi, is there a remastered version of Disintegration existing since the release in 1989. I do not mean a deluxe editon ...


Rickenbacker4003

Quote from: cure89 on January 12, 2009, 14:04:37
Hi, is there a remastered version of Disintegration existing since the release in 1989. I do not mean a deluxe editon ...
I don't think there is.  But that Delxe Version might be out soon.  Totally looking forward to it.
"You're dying for the hope is gone, from here we go nowhere again."

Heroin Face

i've been waiting for the deluxe edition of disintegration for so long :( i cant stand it haha. didnt the others come out in like 2006?


Simon

Yeah, it would be fantastic if Robert & co would release a deluxe edition of Disintegration this year. I kinda think that the sound quality of the ol' disintegration cd is a bit weak in sound nowadays.. Please don't hate me for saying that though!! Haha
The further we go and older we grow
The more we know the less we show.

japanesebaby

Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 17:46:25
Yeah, it would be fantastic if Robert & co would release a deluxe edition of Disintegration this year. I kinda think that the sound quality of the ol' disintegration cd is a bit weak in sound nowadays.. Please don't hate me for saying that though!! Haha

well i don't think anyone should hate you for that. :)
although i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "weak", though. that it's not loud enough? well, that's why you have the volume switch/button, don't you think - just turn it up! ;) that's the secret of the great sound on 'disintegration', that you need to turn it up to hear how great it sounds. 

i really think that the sound on 'disintegration' is pretty much as good as it can get, anywhere. it's one of those best sounding albums out there...
i'm looking forward to the deluxe edition too, but mainly because of the bonus cd (which i hope will have some nice surprises/gems). because after the totally murdered/murderous-to-your-ears sound of '4:13 dream', i'm actually a bit afraid how the remastered 'disintegration' will sound like. if they'll murder it too (by boosting up the volume too much), it'll be totally and thoroughly unforgivable. because they'd be disfiguring a true beauty there.
but let's hope for the best...
Ay, in the very temple of Delight
Veil'd Melancholy has her sovran shrine

Simon

Quote from: japanesebaby on May 19, 2009, 18:01:43
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 17:46:25
Yeah, it would be fantastic if Robert & co would release a deluxe edition of Disintegration this year. I kinda think that the sound quality of the ol' disintegration cd is a bit weak in sound nowadays.. Please don't hate me for saying that though!! Haha

i don't hate you for saying that. :)
not exactly sure what you mean by "weak", though. that it's not loud enough? well, that's why you have the volume switch, don't you think - just turn it up! ;)

because i really think that the sound on 'disintegration' is pretty much as good as it can get, anywhere. it's one of those best sounding albums out there...
i'm looking forward to the deluxe edition too, but mainly because of the bonus cd (which i hope will have some nice surprises/gems). because after the totally murdered/murderous-to-your-ears sound of '4:13 dream', i'm actually a bit afraid how the remastered 'disintegration' will sound like. if they'll murder it too (by boosting up the volume too much), it'll be totally and thoroughly unforgivable. because they'd be disfiguring a true beauty there.
but let's hope for the best...

It's not as loud as it was intended to be. The sound is kinda distant.. At least on my cd., maybe it's damaged?!?  :eek:

I mean, the album itself is absolutely beautiful, I'm proud of owning it. It's just that I think the sound is a bit distant..

Yeah, I would love to hear some demos, or even some unreleased songs from that period! I agree about your statement regarding the 4:13 sound, it was a bit too loud..
The further we go and older we grow
The more we know the less we show.

fiction

Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:09:23
It's not as loud as it was intended to be. The sound is kinda distant.. At least on my cd., maybe it's damaged?!?  :eek:

I remember when Disintegration was released that the rewievers used to say that this cd was the cd you need to tune in your stereo. They were absolutely enchanted by the immaculate sound of that cd-version. I agree to that but I found the vinyl version a bit inferior to the cd-version and could agree to that the sound of the vinyl-version is a bit "week".
again and again and again and again and again and...

Simon

Quote from: fiction on May 19, 2009, 18:14:52
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:09:23
It's not as loud as it was intended to be. The sound is kinda distant.. At least on my cd., maybe it's damaged?!?  :eek:

I remember when Disintegration was released that the rewievers used to say that this cd was the cd you need to tune in your stereo. They were absolutely enchanted by the immaculate sound of that cd-version. I agree to that but I found the vinyl version a bit inferior to the cd-version and could agree to that the sound of the vinyl-version is a bit "week".

Hm, that's interesting. I haven't got the chance to listen to vinyl version yet.
I disovered some differences when I listened to Pictures of you on the Galore cd.
It was much more louder, and not distant at all. Whereas on disintegration, it was kinda distant.. well, that's in my opinion!

But then again, maybe they wanted it to be tuned down, so that you the listener HAD to turn the volume up in order to hear something.. It's interesting if that really was the case here.
The further we go and older we grow
The more we know the less we show.

japanesebaby

Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:09:23
It's not as loud as it was intended to be. The sound is kinda distant.. At least on my cd., maybe it's damaged?!?  :eek:

I mean, the album itself is absolutely beautiful, I'm proud of owning it. It's just that I think the sound is a bit distant..

well i guess they could boost it up a bit without still ending up damaging it (i'm not at home right now so i can't relaly check how much exactly). but considering how insane the volume boost of many albums is nowadays, i'm simply afraid they won't leave it to that but will end up hurting that album real bad...

anyway i don't find that distant sound a problem. because i think you find that it's not distant at all if you just turn the volume up(?). then you have a really spacious, great, warm and full sound, with depth of dynamics that you don't seem to find with any new albums these days (sadly). it's radiant and simply beautiful.


Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:09:23
I agree about your statement regarding the 4:13 sound, it was a bit too loud..

"a bit" - i think it was insanely too loud, it's just one big block of looud noise, with no subtle qualities at all. even the quiet passages on it sound LOUD. so it's completely murdered, unfortunately. i really regret that a lot because i think it would be a pretty ok album, actually. i often find myself wanting to listen it a lot more but then find myself not doing it because it would just make me sad and the noise would make me uncomfortable, not at all like it should be, not at all enjoyable. that's a pretty unfortunate: to find yourself in a situation where you'd really want to listen to something but don't do it because it would be painful (literally).
what a shame.
Ay, in the very temple of Delight
Veil'd Melancholy has her sovran shrine

fiction

Quote from: japanesebaby on May 19, 2009, 18:19:26
["a bit" - i think it was insanely too loud, it's just one big block of looud noise, with no subtle qualities at all.

He he. This is one of the least poisoned outburst from You according that little mishap in an otherwise brilliant catalogue. :smth023
again and again and again and again and again and...

japanesebaby

Quote from: fiction on May 19, 2009, 18:14:52
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:09:23
It's not as loud as it was intended to be. The sound is kinda distant.. At least on my cd., maybe it's damaged?!?  :eek:

I remember when Disintegration was released that the rewievers used to say that this cd was the cd you need to tune in your stereo. They were absolutely enchanted by the immaculate sound of that cd-version. I agree to that but I found the vinyl version a bit inferior to the cd-version and could agree to that the sound of the vinyl-version is a bit "week".

that's true. i think 'disintegration' is one of those albums that mark the turning point where the cds really proved to win over vinyl. no wonder vinyl started to lose the war to cds around that time. the ironic thing is that today many people have started to go back to vinyl because well-done vinyl productions beat most cd productions of today 6-0 (or more like 20-0). so no wonder vinyl has started to come back in recent years.

i agree about the 'disintegration' cd version sounding better than the vinyl version. some original cd releases from the late 80's/early 90's are REALLY very good. you get a glimpse of how cds really should sound like. it's really a crime, the situation we're in today, where almost every new cd sounds more or less like some flat crap.
i really hate to be someone who sounds like wishing back the good old times, but in this case i admit i really wish that...
Ay, in the very temple of Delight
Veil'd Melancholy has her sovran shrine

japanesebaby

Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:19:16
I disovered some differences when I listened to Pictures of you on the Galore cd.
It was much more louder, and not distant at all. Whereas on disintegration, it was kinda distant..

but have you tried really checking if there's any other difference in quality than the volume? i mean, take both versions (the original and the one on 'galore'), then boost the original enough to match the 'galore' version - then listen to both with same volume settings.
do you hear any difference in quality?

you must remember that if the distant sound simply means lover volume levels on the cd, it still doesn't mean there were any less detail there. just turn the volume up and you should hear all the same details. with analog sources (cassette, vinyl) it's different because there's background noise/hum/hiss that also gets' boosted up when you turn up the volume. then i'd agree that distant sound on the original can actually mean lower quality. but with a digital source like a cd, what background hiss could there be?
Ay, in the very temple of Delight
Veil'd Melancholy has her sovran shrine

Simon

Quote from: japanesebaby on May 19, 2009, 18:32:13
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:19:16
I disovered some differences when I listened to Pictures of you on the Galore cd.
It was much more louder, and not distant at all. Whereas on disintegration, it was kinda distant..

but have you tried really checking if there's any other difference in quality than the volume? i mean, take both versions (the original and the one on 'galore'), then boost the original enough to match the 'galore' version - then listen to both with same volume settings.
do you hear any difference in quality?

you must remember that if the distant sound simply means lover volume levels on the cd, it still doesn't mean there were any less detail there. just turn the volume up and you should hear all the same details. with analog sources (cassette, vinyl) it's different because there's background noise/hum/hiss that also gets' boosted up when you turn up the volume. then i'd agree that distant sound on the original can actually mean lower quality. but with a digital source like a cd, what background hiss could there be?

Oh, ok. I'm gonna try it out later on!  ;) That might be the case, or it's just my speakers or my cd's that's broken..
The further we go and older we grow
The more we know the less we show.

japanesebaby

Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:35:41
That might be the case, or it's just my speakers or my cd's that's broken..

i guess it could be your speakers/stereo system settings. if the maximum possible volume limit on your stereo system is somehow set too low then you can never get the volume that albums like 'disintegration' "needs" out of your system. i don't know how the volume would be set too low though, since i don't know what sort of system you have there. just saying that it's theoretically all possible.
Ay, in the very temple of Delight
Veil'd Melancholy has her sovran shrine

Simon

Quote from: japanesebaby on May 19, 2009, 18:48:47
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2009, 18:35:41
That might be the case, or it's just my speakers or my cd's that's broken..

i guess it could be your speakers/stereo system settings. if the maximum possible volume limit on your stereo system is somehow set too low then you can never get the volume that albums like 'disintegration' "needs" out of your system. i don't know how the volume would be set too low though, since i don't know what sort of system you have there. just saying that it's theoretically all possible.

Ok. So I checked out the differences between the Pictures of you versions now. They were both played very loud and I noticed there wasn't much difference after all.. But, if I turned down the volume a bit there were some minor differences actually.. The version on disintegration was indeed a bit distant compared to the Galore version. On the disintegration sleeve it says ; "This music has been mixed to be played loud so turn it up". That might explain it all.
The further we go and older we grow
The more we know the less we show.