The album got pushed to 2008, more like an April/May release

[Oso Blanco]

To all those who criticised my criticism:

I used to be a big fan of The Cure, maybe bigger than you'll ever be. But the songwriting has become inacceptable over the past ten years, and their live shows have never been worse. The Cure are just a shadow of their former selves.

I REALLY hope they will recover from their current low, but it seems highly unlikely that they ever will.

To everyone who wants to follow The Cure till the bitter end: Just ask yourself if you would have ever become a Cure fan if you hadn't ever heard anything pre Bloodflowers. Would you have become a fan if you only had known "Bloodflowers" and "The Cure"? I guess most of us became fans much earlier, and only hang on to the band for nostalgic reasons.

And yes, I enjoyed the Morrissey show more than any Cure show that I've seen over the past 15 years!

[Hero]

To everyone who wants to follow The Cure till the bitter end: Just ask yourself if you would have ever become a Cure fan if you hadn't ever heard anything pre Bloodflowers. Would you have become a fan if you only had known "Bloodflowers" and "The Cure"?

Well i can answer this because I'm only 18, so yes i became a fan after Bloodflowers came out. And i had never heard such beautiful music before. Robert Smith is one of the best songwriters ever and you obviously just want another Disintergration or perhaps your youth back?

I agree with the fans who are with the band to the end. I may be young and not have been a fan as long as most of you here but i truly believe that the new album will be worth waiting for and they still have it in them to make another brilliant album.
By the way, i am very narrow minded on this subject and have faith in the band and will love them forever no matter what...

[silversand]

To all those who criticised my criticism:

I used to be a big fan of The Cure, maybe bigger than you'll ever be. But the songwriting has become inacceptable over the past ten years, and their live shows have never been worse. The Cure are just a shadow of their former selves.

I REALLY hope they will recover from their current low, but it seems highly unlikely that they ever will.

To everyone who wants to follow The Cure till the bitter end: Just ask yourself if you would have ever become a Cure fan if you hadn't ever heard anything pre Bloodflowers. Would you have become a fan if you only had known "Bloodflowers" and "The Cure"? I guess most of us became fans much earlier, and only hang on to the band for nostalgic reasons.

And yes, I enjoyed the Morrissey show more than any Cure show that I've seen over the past 15 years!

So this means you aren't a Cure Fan anymore ? If you decided so, maybe it's the best you could do for you
I'm a Cure Fan for a very long time and i still think it's the most interesting band i know. And i'm really looking forward to the album and the tour.
I know that you are moan most of the time.
I'm not upset and surprised at all. In the end it's your own decision which band/singer do you like best. And i have to say you sound a little bit bitter.
That's sad. If you like Morrissey better so that is okay.

The Cure have changed so many times in there long carrer, and that is in my opinion very good, because a band who doesn't change is for me in some ways boring.

Hope you didn't understand me wrong, i meant it in a good way, okay

cheers
silversand

[Oso Blanco]

I'm only 18

Maybe that's the problem! I was a fan long before you were even born! I LIVED in those days, when The Cure was one of the greatest bands on this planet. You should have been there! Maybe then you would realise that the last ten years were the worst in The Cure's existance.

As I said before, I really want the new album to be good. But I have little hope.

[rodney]

Well, it's not like Morrissey is exactly making the best music of his career either....

[Oso Blanco]

The Cure have changed so many times in there long carrer, and that is in my opinion very good, because a band who doesn't change is for me in some ways boring.

That's exactly the problem! They haven't changed in about ten years! This is the most boring Cure period ever! Back in the old days, they had a new album out every year, and every single one of them sounded different. But they still had that Cure style. They were original, inspired, innovative. But what have they done for the past ten years? The same old shit in slightly different variations. I remember the times when Robert used to hate bands like that ... and now he is one of them!

[Oso Blanco]

Well, it's not like Morrissey is exactly making the best music of his career either....

But not his worst, either. I actually like his last two albums a lot more than I did the two that came before! And he still does absolutely brilliant live shows. Compared to Morrissey and his band, The Cure seem like a bunch of dead people on stage.

[dsanchez]

Compared to Morrissey and his band, The Cure seem like a bunch of dead people on stage.

Oso Blanco, do you feel comfortable in this place?. I mean, Curefans.com is for people who love The Cure. I would suggest you now a couple of sites that perhaps make you happier?

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/
http://www.ubersite.com/m/12413

[Oso Blanco]

Oso Blanco, do you feel comfortable in this place?. I mean, Curefans.com is for people who love The Cure. I would suggest you now a couple of sites that perhaps make you happier?

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/
http://www.ubersite.com/m/12413

Thanks, I'm already posting at the solo site. But the other one was news to me:

HOW TO WRITE A CURE SONG

1) Buy a 12-string guitar. Record yourself playing open fifths in various keys for 25 minutes. This is the foundation of your song.

2) Call up the bloke who married your sister. Get him to come over to your studio and put a bass guitar in his hands. Splice together any notes he manages to play and put a lot of echo on them. (Notes completely unrelated to the fifths your recorded earlier are a plus.) This is your bassline.

3) Stalk a Royal Academy-trained pianist. Secretly record his private jam sessions. These will become your keyboard lines as well as the basis for your melodies (more on this later).

4) Record the noises made by your roadie as he tunes your guitars on tour. This is your guitar solo.

5) Hire a young drummer looking for a break, then drown him out with a drum machine.

6) Decide the mood for your song: if it's "happy", double the speed; if it's "sad", halve the speed.

7) Write your lyrics. They must contain at least five of the following words: "cat", "knees", "again", "love", "grey", "spinning", "trust", "die", "hate", "miserable", "happy", "scream", "cold", "I", "me", "face", "fall", "fear", "walk", "kiss", "catch". Imaginary words are a bonus.

8) Shriek your lyrics in the highest, most tenuous portion of your vocal range. If you happen to land on a note that is in the chord, go up a whole step. Shrillness is a must. Make sure that the song ends abruptly on a chord only tangentially related to the chord it started on.

9) Take the most-repeated phrase in your song and make that the song title. For example, if your lyrics say, "Drown me in your eyes/With a kiss and a smile/Catch me in the sky/With a cloud of love/With a cloud of love/With a cloud of love", your song would be called "With A Cloud Of Love". Alternately, you could call the song "Treasure" and hope that no one notices.

10) Slap a closeup of your pasty, bloated face on the cover and watch the aging angst-mongers moan on and on about how you've repeated yourself so many times that they can only bring themselves to buy four copies of the latest release.

Don't worry if all of your songs start to sound the same; your hardcore fans will hate anything that sounds different and your casual fans won't exist.

That's absolutely hilarious! And so true! Exactly how I feel about the past decade of The Cure! Thank you!

[robiola]

@Oso Blanco... I can't beleieve this..  :!:

Well, Oso Blanco is not a Cure fan, so I certanly can believe this

Don't be too hard on Oso Blanco... It does seem kind of strange to see someone posting so many negative comments about The Cure on this forum, and sometimes my first reaction is wtf? But you know, he reminds me very much of a bitter ex after a divorce... And I think he must have loved the earlier Cure very, very much to be so immensely disappointed and caustic about their last albums... Just an impression.
But Oso Blanco -- I think people don't just object to your opinion, I think it's the hostile tone that inflames many members... Maybe?

[rodney]

I actually think the last album was better than the two that preceded it, and when listening to live shows, I certainly prefer those of the last 15 years to those that were before it.

[becomingwater]

I can't wait for the new album, just wish they would set a date:)

[rodney]

I'm just shocked that somebody could think that the Trilogy shows were bad.......

[japanesebaby]

I'm only 18

Maybe that's the problem! I was a fan long before you were even born! I LIVED in those days, when The Cure was one of the greatest bands on this planet. You should have been there! Maybe then you would realise that the last ten years were the worst in The Cure's existance.

oso, i think everyone gets your point. and by the way at least i'm not even disagreeing with you in some respect: if i could have a time machine and go back to '89 then hey sure i would choose to re-live those moments instead of living today! the cure is past they hey-day by now, very well so. and there's little hope that they'll ever become something like they were in the 80s - of course they won't! but...
but honestly, you seriously can't say things like it's someone's "problem" if she is wasn't able to attend the cure shows in the 80s because she wasn't even born! so come on... :roll:
we live in this moment and we see things differently according to on which decade/year we were born - that's only natural. i think that's something that enables the diversity of opinions, and thus it's more like a strenght than a weakness. i think one of he whole points in places like this is that there are people from different ages and different backgrounds - it would be truly sad if we were all some old buggers just recalling the good old times and there was no younger members bringing "fresh blood" among us.

what you seem to be saying there is that for anyone really being a "real" cure fan, he/she had to be able to attend some early 80s concerts, thus anyone can't be a "true" cure fan today if he/she's not at least 35-40.
another example: i know this guy who's a HUGE elvis fan. i mean he really really is: elvis means everything to him, it's a way of life. but well, i suppose he's all wrong and he really can't be a "true" elvis fan - because actually he was only 4 years old when elvis died. surely he never saw elvis live - surely he cant really "understand" what elvis is about?
so how sad that he's being so massively fooled into believing that elvis really means a lot to him... i guess somebody should tell him the truth?
so of course someone who's 18 can see things differently, has different perspective - but that's not her "problem".
we can't judge other people according to their age here. that's age racism.


i really do think everyone's entitled to an opinion and everyone's entitled to say it here, both positive and negative. nothing wrong in that. and if you don't like the cure anymore and want to say it, then that's fine. there's nothing globally tragic in it all - things change. and noone else should feel insulted or hurt or anything.
i just don't get what you are trying to achieve when you want to make it look like "since i (oso) don't like the cure anymore, you others shouldn't like it either - because if you others do like it, you are simply wrong and you need to GET IT that the cure is crap today!"? what are you aiming at? because it doesn't bother me that you don't like the cure anymore, some other people posted similar comments in this thread (for instance silversand). but instead, you seem to get very strung up everytime someone says something positive about the band - don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong if you disagree with someone who posts something positive and there's nothing wrong if you post criticism. but posting constructive criticism is different than posting "i don't like the cure so you should not like the cure either!" kind of posts.
please do post criticism (because that makes this board alive!), but let's try to keep it on a constructive side.
maybe you have some things to say but i think it always gets somehow entangled into your anger towards the people who disagree with you. and instead of discussion we always get into this "is it ok to like the cure? yes/no/yes/no/yes....etc" or "who's right and who's wrong here?" kind of mess - and at some point morrissey gets mentioned sooner or later for sure.:roll:
but how about trying to keep us away from that.

how about we try not to discuss the opinions themselves but the ideas behind the opinions?

[japanesebaby]

at least ross robinson   hasn't been around this time, screwing things up...

A producer can't turn shit into gold, so don't hold your breath! The reason for the last album being a huge disappointment wasn't the production alone. It was because of lazy and uninspired songwriting!

about producing/production: splitmilk made some good points above. :!:

production means a lot more than just "how the record sounds like" (which is what at least i read you seemed to refer to). production is about a lot of various sort of background work/effort, it's about motivating the badn, the artist, the songwriting (like splitmilk said!), it's about supporting the whole artistic process in various different ways from the early stages of the process to the finished "product", about having strong input on what musical ideas get picked up and processed and worked into songs and what gets on the album. etc etc etc.
as a musician myself (although i've focused on a slightly different field of music) i'm somewhat familiar with that, and i think every musician is/should be.

and about ' "a producer can't turn shit into gold" - sometimes they can.
and especially considering 'the cure' album, it's the other way round: a producer CAN turn gold into shit. a bad/badly chosen producer can totally ruin an album since has a great input on the whole process of making a recording, starting from the very early stages of the artistic process onwards. a badly chosen producer can make the whole process take a completely wrong direction, completely wrong turn. and if this wrong turn really happens in the early stages of the process (as i think happened with 'the cure'), then the whole thing is pretty much doomed and can end up being something more or less completely alien, something that doesn't even fit/suit on the artist in question anymore. that's how the cure ended up making an album that is maybe not even a cure album... it's someone else's album, not theirs.

so robinson surely had a lot to do with how 'the cure' became the way it became. he didn't just sit there in the studio and picked
instead, he IS very much responsible for the "unispired songwriting" that you (rightfully) did mention.

had the cure gone into studio with... let's say the abovementioned brian eno, and i bet we would have had a totally utterly completely different album in our hands...